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Post by Smashchu on Oct 28, 2007 20:21:27 GMT -5
Bumped for the sake of showing to Goomba Joe.
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Post by Game Guru on Oct 29, 2007 2:12:55 GMT -5
Oh, I know how Kingdom Hearts came to be... Apparently Squaresoft and Disney shared a building in Japan. Thus they decided to work together on a game, and that was Kingdom Hearts.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 29, 2007 4:50:24 GMT -5
First of all, both Square and Disney see themselves as storytellers, and that is one reason Kingdom Hearts worked as a game. Nintendo is not a storyteller, but a company that believes in solid gameplay, innovation and pure fun.
It would be a very boring game. Kinda like Super Paper Mario, I guess. Too much story and not enough focus on play mechanics.
I would also like to say now - Kingdom Hearts is not Square + Disney. It's a Disney RPG. The Disney characters, settings and music, recognising characters, summoning Disney characters (Oh man, I loved the Genie)... that's what made the game (which was flawed, gameplay-wise) both enjoyable and worth playing.
The Square stuff felt forced.
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 29, 2007 4:55:44 GMT -5
First of all, both Square and Disney see themselves as storytellers, and that is one reason Kingdom Hearts worked as a game. Nintendo is not a storyteller, but a company that believes in solid gameplay, innovation and pure fun. It would be a very boring game. Kinda like Super Paper Mario, I guess. Too much story and not enough focus on play mechanics. I actually think Nintendo are better storytellers than Square. F-Zero, StarFox and Zelda all have pretty huge and complicated stories, and even Mario has it's moments. Pokémon, too. They manage to create excellent stories without sacrificing gameplay. I tend to come out of a Square game feeling like I was in the bathroom during the exposition which made the plot make any sense.
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Post by TV Eye on Oct 29, 2007 7:06:40 GMT -5
Well, Kingdom Hearts is a genre all its own. It's incomparable to any Nintendo game...or really any other game for that matter...
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Post by Manspeed on Oct 29, 2007 14:54:56 GMT -5
It had potential, but the sequel went up shallow creek without a paddle.
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Post by TV Eye on Oct 29, 2007 15:28:31 GMT -5
I disagree. I believe the first one had more depth, but the second was still a good game.
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Post by Manspeed on Oct 29, 2007 16:18:26 GMT -5
I don't see how. Here's what I found:
-Smaller areas and less exploration overall. -Drive forms and action commands too heavily relied on. -Items and magic downplayed severely. -Really bad story pacing. -Both Disney and Square takes a complete backseat to a crapload of original stuff for the second half of the game. Said original stuff seemed kind of uninspired to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2007 11:42:00 GMT -5
I enjoyed both KH games for the Disney content...but they suffered from Square's metaphor diarrhea, so the story doesn't really do much for me.
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Oct 30, 2007 12:28:31 GMT -5
I understand this type of crossover is a bit random because Disney and Nintendo aren't the same type of fictional universes... But I'd play it. I've not played any Kingdom Hearts game yet (even though I bought the first one and haven't started it). I wonder if that's why I don't dislike this idea? Some Disney characters were cool to play as in NES and SNES platformer video games... The Rescue Rangers, Scrooge McDuck, Mickey Mouse using balloons, etc. Not sure if you guys ever played them. Since SSB has elements from platformer games, it wouldn't be too hard to map that kind of things to a SSB-like game.
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Post by Wildcat on Oct 30, 2007 12:58:28 GMT -5
I've stated my dislike of Kingdom Hearts elsewhere on the board, so I'll refrain from it here. For the idea, it's not a bad one, but I don't picture Nintendo and Disney together all that well, myself. But some could say the same for my Nintendo Vs. Capcom idea, so it's all good. I would take some more obscure Disney characters for your base (Robin Hood, anyone?) than repeating KH's cast, personally.
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Post by Hiker of Games on Oct 30, 2007 13:25:40 GMT -5
I think a Nintendo Versus game would be better spent on a less derivative universe (after all, nothing in Disney is completely original). I'd prefer it to be within video games. Capcom has a more comparative collection of franchises to pit against Nintendo. What we really need?
Nintendo vs. Sega vs. Namco vs. Capcom vs. Konami
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2007 14:07:43 GMT -5
I think a Nintendo Versus game would be better spent on a less derivative universe (after all, nothing in Disney is completely original). I'd prefer it to be within video games. Capcom has a more comparative collection of franchises to pit against Nintendo. What we really need? Nintendo vs. Sega vs. Namco vs. Capcom vs. Konami QFT, man. QFT.
Seriously, I think SSB is heading in that direction. In a couple generations, we might see an incarnation of the game that has as vast a Nintendo-centric cast as it does now, while constantly exploring and expanding the biggest 3rd Parties working on their consoles. I wouldn't be surprised if Pac-Man, Lloyd Irving, Snake, Bomberman, Sonic, Axel, Megaman and Viewtiful Joe wound up all sharing a character select screen down the road.
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 30, 2007 14:18:33 GMT -5
I dunno about Viewtiful Joe... as much as I love him, since Clover was shut down, it seems he's dead. He was gaining plenty of popularity between 2003 and 2005, (getting an anime series in just a couple of years isn't bad) but since then... we've heard nothing of his future, and no further games have been announced, even though VJ2 and Double Trouble both have unresolved cliffhanger endings.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2007 14:29:13 GMT -5
Yeah, but for all intents and purposes, Ice Climbers and Pit are in the same boat. Joe's still part of Capcom's history, and since he was/is pretty popular--not to mention that he'd fit perfectly as a player character in an SSB game--it would be weird to just exclude him forever and ever simply because the group that made him kicked the bucket.
I mean...we're still getting Okamii even though Clover shut down. You know?
...actually, Amaterasu would also be great for SSB. No-Bath Ammy for Brawl! ;D
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