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Post by Koopaul on Apr 15, 2009 22:58:51 GMT -5
Eh I still don't know why these forums questions DK's hero status. It would be like me saying Mario is a Yoshi abuser. Remember that?
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Post by Shrikeswind on Apr 15, 2009 23:21:36 GMT -5
That makes him a bit too Wario-ish, at least in my own humble opinion. Actually, no. DK is defensive, Wario is offensive. DK owns his bananas. Wario wants to own the moneys. So while Wario's out running around trying to get rich, DK's laying in his tree watching the butterflies fly, because his bananas are safe. And if they aren't, he makes sure they are secured again so he can get back to laying in his tree watching the butterflies fly.
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Post by Koopaul on Apr 16, 2009 1:00:05 GMT -5
Good point. The vibe I usually get is that DK is a relaxed easy going guy and only gets aggressive when you push his buttons.
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Apr 16, 2009 1:41:08 GMT -5
Or when he suffers from jealousy or greed for toys, say it complete!! *knocks your head with a cane*
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Post by kirbychu on Apr 16, 2009 1:48:44 GMT -5
B) It makes more sense for a gorilla to be the father/grandfather of another gorilla than it does for a chimp. Dixie and Kiddy are merely cousins. Lanky is only implied to be distantly related to the rest of the Kongs. Cranky couldn't even figure out who he was related to if he's even related at all. I wasn't referring to Cranky there, I was referring to Diddy. People are citing a species difference as the main argument against Diddy and DK being related, and overlooking the fact that Chunky and Kiddy are Dixie and Tiny's cousins despite being different species.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Apr 16, 2009 2:22:30 GMT -5
You may still notice a level of simplicity when DK's being a jackass like that, too. He doesn't do it out of actual greed more than a simple-minded "I want it." He's not thinking about the consequences of his actions because he doesn't understand them. That simplicity is also what allows for these conflicting roles of hero and villain.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 16, 2009 9:24:57 GMT -5
DK is basically a brute force of nature. By nature, he is good, but he is stubborn. When he wants something, he's used to using force to get it. He's also clearly careless, as in the DKC games he is captured just as many times as he is a hero.
Why do his actions have to be put into a "good" or "bad" box? The important thing are that his actions are consistent. He fights K. Rool to get his bananas back, he fights others apes to become king of the jungle, he steals Mini-Mario toys because he loves them, and he steals Pauline because he loves her. He takes what he wants, for good or ill. He's a gorilla, after all!
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Post by Manspeed on Apr 16, 2009 9:25:42 GMT -5
Don't forget that DK also goes out of his way to protect his friends and family. That's gotta count for something, right? EDIT: Er, Fry... gorillas don't typically act that way. As Koopaul pointed out, they usually just sit around until somebody bothers them. Not the other way around. This is why the premise of Jungle Beat initially bothered me. Though thankfully, the New Play Control edition came up with a better explanation, so all is not lost! As for the Mini-Mario toys and Pauline, I'd say that the former is just advertising getting to his head, just like with the sniveling masses of America, while the latter can be chalked up to DK inheriting Cranky's fondness for red cocktail dresses. Both he and Cranky already have significant others, so I'd gather they'd dread coming home lest their fat heads meet the large end of a rolling pin/frying pan/whatever wives hit their husbands with. I wasn't referring to Cranky there, I was referring to Diddy. People are citing a species difference as the main argument against Diddy and DK being related, and overlooking the fact that Chunky and Kiddy are Dixie and Tiny's cousins despite being different species. I still say it's more likely for a chimp/tailless monkey and a gorilla to be cousins than it is for a regular monkey to be the nephew of a gorilla. You know how family trees work. ;D
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Post by Koopaul on Apr 16, 2009 9:30:42 GMT -5
Don't forget that DK also goes out of his way to protect his friends and family. That's gotta count for something, right? Exactly. I don't think DK is completely lacking of superego (Freudian term) Look at how he is in Brawl. Sacrificing himself to save Diddy and what.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 16, 2009 9:33:29 GMT -5
Gorillas are a very territorial species. If they feel threatened within their territory then they will become extremely violent. DK just happens to have a very large territory... Besides, gorillas also don't typically drive racing karts, play tennis or own hi-fi's... I figured we abandoned the "realistic" view of gorillas in favour of the cartoon view around the time everybody agreed that Diddy is DK's nephew, despite being a completely different species
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Post by Manspeed on Apr 16, 2009 9:49:30 GMT -5
I still say the nephew thing holds no water, but then again it doesn't really matter whether he's his nephew or not in the long run doesn't it? For the record, the territory in JB wasn't DK's. He just went out to take it, which gorillas don't do. As of the New Play Control version of JB, that's not the case. Now he's going to get his bananas back from the four bad Kongs, which I think is a better explanation. Um... so...can we legally declare this part of the discussion over then? I've said my piece already.
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Post by kirbychu on Apr 16, 2009 10:53:53 GMT -5
I still say it's more likely for a chimp/tailless monkey and a gorilla to be cousins than it is for a regular monkey to be the nephew of a gorilla. You know how family trees work. ;D Uhh... do you? Nephew and cousin are the same thing, just one is a generation further along.
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Post by Koopaul on Apr 16, 2009 11:05:05 GMT -5
I'd just use common sense here and say Diddy is DK's best friend so much its like their related.
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Post by somemannerof on Apr 16, 2009 11:37:45 GMT -5
You know what I realized helped make DKC games unique?
Barrel Cannon Segments. Launching from one to another with perfect timing.
Do the new games have that?I thought it was awesome how it was sneaked into Brawl.
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Post by Manspeed on Apr 16, 2009 19:10:56 GMT -5
But I thought the topic was about DK's family tree. Is this a general DK topic now? I'm down with that.
For the time being, let me post my idea of the Kong family heritage:
Donkey Kong: -Son or grandson of Cranky Kong. -Formerly known as Donkey Kong Jr. if the former.
Cranky Kong: -Father or grandfather of Donkey Kong. -Formerly known as Donkey Kong Sr.
Wrinky Kong: -Wife of Cranky Kong. -Mother or grandmother of Donkey Kong. -Probably formerly known as Mrs. Donkey Kong (like Pac-Man and Ms. Pac-Man).
Diddy Kong: -Donkey Kong's best friend.
Funky Kong: -Donkey Kong's old colleague.
Candy Kong: -Donkey Kong's girlfriend/fiance.
Swanky Kong: -Kong Island's most famous game show host.
Dixie Kong: -Diddy Kong's girlfriend.
Tiny Kong: -Dixie Kong's younger sister.
Kiddy Kong: -Dixie Kong's cousin.
Chunky Kong: -Kiddy Kong's older brother.
Lanky Kong: -Distant relative of the Kong clan. -Exact relation to whom is unclear.
And that's pretty much the gist of it. Most of this is fairly obvious. I mean, I really don't even understand why so many "debates" about this thing even come up in the first place. Is it that hard to look at the raw deal and roll with it?
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