SSBB Release Confusion

[Blueberry_pie]

boodestroyer said:

blueberrypie said:

The Wii doesn't track any of your body's movement, just the movement of the Wii Remote and Nunchuck attachment.

Oh come on. Who doesn't know that?

Pikachu, apparantly.

[Smashchu]

kirbychu said:

But... there was gameplay footage in the original trailer. Quite a bit, in fact.

Nope, there was none. It was all pre-rendered. This is evident as Sakurai said that the new trailer would have gameplay footage, seing it for the first time I beleive. You can also tell as the battle were a tad fake in the first trrailer.

Now, I don't think that's really fair. I'd say a new SSB game is just as important to Nintendo as a new Zelda game. After all, I'd imagine SSBM sold a lot more Gamecubes that Wind Waker did.

Its not that it matters more or less, but how long it takes to deveelop. Game like Zelda and MGS take a long time to make. SSB isn't a walk in the park, but once you have the engine established it more just inserting things here and there. You dont have to build a world, but transvering through menus, alot easier then one big world.

[kirbychu]

smashchu2 said:

Nope, there was none. It was all pre-rendered. This is evident as Sakurai said that the new trailer would have gameplay footage, seing it for the first time I beleive. You can also tell as the battle were a tad fake in the first trrailer.

It certainly wasn't all pre-rendered. The pre-rendered graphics in SSBM were better than a lot of what was shown in the SSBB trailer. What was said about the new trailer was that it was the first real in-game footage of all the NEW characters.

I noticed several clips of obvious in-game footage in the SSBB trailer...

1) Immediately after the title appears, Mario, Link, Kirby and Pikachu are shown fighting in the (Angel Land?) arena they appeared in.
2) Mario using his smash+A attack on Kirby on the castle stage.
3) Pikachu and Kirby using Thunder Jolt and Final Cutter on the first stage again.
4) Link doing his down stab attack on Mario inside a castle stage.
5) Characters fighting on the first stage again, while a Nintendog obscures the screen.
6) We see a few seconds of footage of Meta Knight fighting Mario, Kirby and Pikachu just after he appears.
7) A couple of seconds of Meta Knight fleeing Pit on the Halberd stage.
8) The fight going on in the foreground while Snake is in the box.

You could argue that all of that is pre-rendered, but... it's not. For two reasons. First of all, if it was pre-rendered, it'd look better. It wouldn't have the clunkiness that manual control adds. Second, it'd take months to animate all of that. Time they're not going to waste on a simple trailer. This is why most trailers just use game footage and clips from in-game cutscenes. You'd be surprised at how long FMV animation on any decent scale takes to produce.

[Fran1395]

That's sum baby back bull. Pikachu doesn't like this. (pika pika)

[Fran1395]

evn though a good name 4 Kirby whn he imitates pikachu (on SSBB, not me) is Kirbychu. Whn he imitates Yoshi, he can b Kirboshi.

[Boo Destroyer]

Almost all of the second video's action was actually "ground into gameplay", if you know what I mean. Some of the first video was all independent and made for a bit of an intro/trailer thingy.

[Smashchu]

kirbychu said:

smashchu2 said:

Nope, there was none. It was all pre-rendered. This is evident as Sakurai said that the new trailer would have gameplay footage, seing it for the first time I beleive. You can also tell as the battle were a tad fake in the first trrailer.

It certainly wasn't all pre-rendered. The pre-rendered graphics in SSBM were better than a lot of what was shown in the SSBB trailer. What was said about the new trailer was that it was the first real in-game footage of all the NEW characters.

I noticed several clips of obvious in-game footage in the SSBB trailer...

1) Immediately after the title appears, Mario, Link, Kirby and Pikachu are shown fighting in the (Angel Land?) arena they appeared in.
2) Mario using his smash+A attack on Kirby on the castle stage.
3) Pikachu and Kirby using Thunder Jolt and Final Cutter on the first stage again.
4) Link doing his down stab attack on Mario inside a castle stage.
5) Characters fighting on the first stage again, while a Nintendog obscures the screen.
6) We see a few seconds of footage of Meta Knight fighting Mario, Kirby and Pikachu just after he appears.
7) A couple of seconds of Meta Knight fleeing Pit on the Halberd stage.
8) The fight going on in the foreground while Snake is in the box.

You could argue that all of that is pre-rendered, but... it's not. For two reasons. First of all, if it was pre-rendered, it'd look better. It wouldn't have the clunkiness that manual control adds. Second, it'd take months to animate all of that. Time they're not going to waste on a simple trailer. This is why most trailers just use game footage and clips from in-game cutscenes. You'd be surprised at how long FMV animation on any decent scale takes to produce.

Dont be fooled. Just because it looks like game footage, doesn't mean it is. Remember that production started arounf October of last year. Not only that, but the graphics in the trailer are better then in the Nintendo World 2006.

Also, I doubt it take FOREVER to make a trailer. If it did, it would have taken a good year alone to make the PS3 trailers.

[kirbychu]

smashchu2 said:

Dont be fooled. Just because it looks like game footage, doesn't mean it is. Remember that production started arounf October of last year. Not only that, but the graphics in the trailer are better then in the Nintendo World 2006.

Also, I doubt it take FOREVER to make a trailer. If it did, it would have taken a good year alone to make the PS3 trailers.

Trust me, if you'd studied CG animation you'd be able to spot it from a mile away. It'd take an extremely long time indeed to CG animate all the fighting we saw in that trailer. I'm not saying it's completed game footage. It appears to be running on SSBM's engine, which I don't know if SSBB will.

If that WAS all CG, then I'd say it will've taken... between three and six months to animate. Depending on the skill level of the animators. If the production team really took that much time out from working on the game to produce a trailer... then I wouldn't expect much from the finished game.

[Manspeed]

Oh come on, Smashchu, you must know nothing about graphics, because a monkey could easily tell which parts were in-game and which parts were FMV.

[Blueberry_pie]

From what I've heard the first trailer wasn't actual in-game footage (meaning it wasn't a recorded video of people actually playing the game) but it was rendered with the game engine. So it most definately was an actual representation of what the game would look like if it was played on the console.

[Smashchu]

robert said:

Oh come on, Smashchu, you must know nothing about graphics, because a monkey could easily tell which parts were in-game and which parts were FMV.

Graphical wise the entire first trailer was the same.

However I think BlueBerry_pie is correct. I must have read something wrong.

[Dances in Undergarments]

Regardless, though, your 'logic' is still nonsensical jibberish.

Look at it this way - look for a late 07 release, and, if its early, then thats a bonus. If your certain its going to be May, then, come May, you'll be a very unhappy camper.

But, you know, I'm right anyway.

[Fryguy64]

Graphical wise, the entire first trailer was not the same. The scenes where the characters were introduced were clearly pre-rendered, and the scenes where they're fighting are clearly using a game engine. The character models were the same, but there is a clear disparity. The gameplay scenes were jaggy - the rendered scenes were not.

And yes, it would probably take longer to pre-render that whole trailer than it would be to use the SSBM engine to string together some new gameplay shots.

I suspect it is the case that the trailer was put together using the old SSBM engine, and the new trailer was the first one to use the SSBB engine.

[Fran1395]

this makes pikachu mad (piiiiiiikachuuuuuu) & it suxxors

[Smashchu]

dancesinunderwear said:

Regardless, though, your 'logic' is still nonsensical jibberish.

Look at it this way - look for a late 07 release, and, if its early, then thats a bonus. If your certain its going to be May, then, come May, you'll be a very unhappy camper.

But, you know, I'm right anyway.

But, you know, I'm right anyway.
A bit arrogent are we?

Your logic is right, of course Im looking at a Summer launch to be honest(as I've said before), so I expect somewhere between June-Augest. Really, If they announce it Im fine.