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Post by Smashchu on Jan 15, 2007 10:24:25 GMT -5
Oh Gampa Simpson. Is there any coheriency in your statments
"The internet isn't something you can dump on, its not a big truck. Its a series of tubes"(thats all I've got)
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Post by Wildcat on Jan 15, 2007 11:06:38 GMT -5
I just turned 24, myself. I'm all for this section of the website. I'm almost as big a fan of Capcom as I am Nintendo, and I've recently started thinking about naming Konami as one of my overall favorite developers as well. But I proudly buy a bunch of third party games that catch my interest, be in on the GBA, GC or PS2 (I do need a few more DS third parties...I'm thinking about trying out the Phoenix Wright games one of these days). I appauld fryguy for letting 3rd party games be discussed on the site, and I also appauld Corey on his fine writing. As a gamer that has a limited budget as well, I'm pretty impressed with his write-ups on third party games he hasn't played. He could fool me at times. I'm all for this continuing, and chipping in whenever possible. ^_^
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Post by Nester the Lark on Jan 15, 2007 12:55:26 GMT -5
Heh. Thanks again, Wildcat. You make me blush. I always wondered if people could tell whether or not I had actually played the game just by reading the write-up. And Fry, that sounds like a pretty straight forward way of putting it. I think maybe my last post began to sound a little trite. I could come up with maybe two or three other ways of putting it, but you guys get the picture. (Plus, I need to save ammo for future discussion. ) But now that we're at least aware of the issue (and at the risk of becoming over zealous), it brings me back to the part about segregation. We really don't have to be self-conscious about which party our games are. As mentioned, it's not about filling a quota. It's about open-mindedness. (I don't want to insult anyone's intelligence, so I'm not saying you weren't open-minded to begin with. And if you were, I've probably mucked it all up by now.) Look at it this way. Go to the store and look at a Nintendo magazine, official or not. Is it divided into a first party section and a third party section? More likely, all the games are intermingling. Although the magazine has a bias for Nintendo products, good third party games will still get the same treatment as good first party games. As for the 3PS's place on NinDB, here's how I see it (Fry, let me know if you agree or not.): NinDB is a comprehensive resource with a specific scope, like a big Nintendo museum. It is not a resource for 3rd party games. However, when we reach the edge of the NinDB, instead of staring at a brick wall, the 3PS gives us a view out to the horizon with select non-Nintendo published games. Hopefully, it will lead people to explore. Now, isn't that a pretty picture? ;D
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Post by mrmolecule on Jan 15, 2007 22:00:29 GMT -5
It is not a resource for 3rd party games. (sigh)
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Post by Hiker of Games on Jan 15, 2007 22:30:18 GMT -5
I'd like to confess I own a PS2 and sometimes I don't use it as a DVD player. You may proceed with stoning me!
The thing about third party games is that I end up having to get most of them on the PS2 cuz they ain't on Nintendo systems. I don't have any Sony first party games, (What Sony FPGs?)
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Post by mrmolecule on Jan 16, 2007 15:54:13 GMT -5
That's right. Try to focus on 3rd party games that appeared on Nintendo consoles first (the Sega games are polluting things!) Heh. I hope you're being facetious. Not that I'm defending Sega or anything. Well, I apologize to Sega for being the victimized scapegoat, but what if computer games start appearing on the VC. Would you feel like you need to write about "Zork II" when there are hundreds of other Nintendo-born 3rd party games that would be great for writeups? I sure hope you don't.
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Post by kirbychu on Jan 16, 2007 18:38:04 GMT -5
Why? Just because a game didn't originate on a Nintendo console doesn't mean it's any less of a game.
Hell, some of my favourite games never appeared on Nintendo consoles (i.e., Shenmue, NiGHTS Into Dreams..., Sam & Max: Hit The Road).
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Post by Nester the Lark on Jan 16, 2007 20:25:08 GMT -5
Well, Whiskers, remember the tiers I posted earlier for how Nintendo fans prioritize software (1st party > 2nd party > 3rd party exclusive > 3rd party multi-console)? Wouldn't it be a little hypocritical for me to use a similar method for choosing games for the features?
Or (correct me if I'm wrong) are you saying that since the Genesis/Mega Drive and Turbo Grafx-16 are not Nintendo consoles, the games originally available on them don't technically qualify as Nintendo software, and thus shouldn't be eligible?
Either way, being on a Nintendo fan site, what I think matters is that as long as it's available by means of a Nintendo console (in this case, Wii and DS), any game is fair game. Nintendo pride or company loyalty has nothing to do with it. The bottom line is that you own a video game system with a large (or potentially large) library of games that can only benefit from diversity. I'm not going to avoid picking Nintendo-born 3rd party games in favor of non-Nintendo-born 3rd party games, or vice-versa. Rather, I hope that my selections reflect the diversity of the system's library. (Assuming there's a large variety of good quality games, of course.)
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Post by Hiker of Games on Jan 16, 2007 21:11:13 GMT -5
Well besides Fryguy's understandable love for Nintendo games, one obvious reason not to expand the site is rather obvious:
Fryguy couldn't possibly index ever game released on any Nintendo system. He's only one man. Not even if he quit his dayjob and vowed never to be with another woman again could he do it. Well, maybe if he stopped playing the actual games he could, but then that defeats the point.
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Post by mrmolecule on Jan 16, 2007 21:47:13 GMT -5
I don't think you're quite following me through. We're going BEYOND the console realm, here, in your >3rd Party Multi-Console. We're going >Former Computer Exclusives tier. Things that never appeared on a Nintendo console. Or Sega. Or TurboGrafx. Or even obscure consoles. The ones sold in boxes the size of dictionaries and came on two 1.44MB floppy disks, that you had to put in your Macintosh Performa or IBM-PC to install for 5 minutes, and that you play via MOUSE and KEYBOARD? It's perfectly possible to use the Wii VC for that. Why is there a USB port? Why, if they came out with a Infocom text game (edited for easy readability), I can pull out that old Apple Extended Keyboard and buy a USB/ADB adaptor and party like its 1984. That kind of thing.
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Jan 16, 2007 22:57:45 GMT -5
^Uh... what?
They're still games. And if they happen to be good, then they should be eligible for write-ups - because they are good games.
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Post by Nester the Lark on Jan 17, 2007 0:56:56 GMT -5
Yeah... What DiU said.
If we're talking about games that did not originally appear on a Nintendo system, then what difference does it make if it was on another console or an old computer? (Technically, they're all computers.)
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Post by kirbychu on Jan 17, 2007 6:03:31 GMT -5
It's perfectly possible to use the Wii VC for that. Why is there a USB port? Why, if they came out with a Infocom text game (edited for easy readability), I can pull out that old Apple Extended Keyboard and buy a USB/ADB adaptor and party like its 1984. That kind of thing. That's pretty rediculous. I doubt Corey will be writing about games that aren't officially released for the VC.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jan 17, 2007 6:30:16 GMT -5
Whiskers, your argument doesn't follow. Being able to play a Flash game, emulated game, or a hacked game through the Wii or the Wii browser is NOT the same thing as being able to play a game officially released on the Virtual Console.
So just because you could theoretically play those games on the Wii or DS, if they're not official releases then they just don't count.
Any third party game that has been officially released for play on a current Nintendo console - Wii, Virtual Console, DS - is eligible, even if the original release was on a competitor system at the time. Why do you find that distinction so hard to understand, Whiskers?
A good game is a good game, whether it's old or new, by Nintendo or not, on a Nintendo system or not. It's the nature of videogame fanboyism to be completely incapable of understanding this.
Sure, I love Nintendo systems and Nintendo games, but I have to restrain myself from buying all the other consoles from time to time. PS2 might be as unreliable as an American car, but it is home to Ico, Kingdom Hearts 1&2, Colossus, Dragon Quest 8, the Final Fantasies... X-Box 360's online functionality is dreamy, and I really want to give Dead Rising a go, as well as some other games. And on Nintendo's own systems we have so many exclusive and non-exclusive third-party titles that are excellent, that I cry every time one of them slips into obscurity!
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Post by mrmolecule on Jan 17, 2007 9:46:07 GMT -5
What I mean is, if computer games were actually OFFICIALLY RELEASED on the VIRTUAL CONSOLE.
It is a POSSIBILITY but VERY RARE.
And American cars aren't terrible.
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