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Post by Smashchu on Aug 2, 2006 21:06:35 GMT -5
Thats the joke.
Also SSBB was not ruined by Snakes inclusion. Its like Link in Soul Caliber. He was a guest. It dosn't mean Snake will be in SSB4 and he may be the only 3rd party character in there.
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Aug 3, 2006 1:07:38 GMT -5
Thats the joke. Also SSBB was not ruined by Snakes inclusion. Its like Link in Soul Caliber. He was a guest. It dosn't mean Snake will be in SSB4 and he may be the only 3rd party character in there. I didn't say that SSBB is runined. It will still be fun. It would still be fun if they removed all the characters and added only Wire Frame characters with no names. That doesn't mean it's a good idea. Adding Snake ruins the concept of SSB. "The concept for this game, as you know, was to take the classic, friendly Nintendo franchise characters .. and have them, as you say here in America, "beat the heck out of each other."" -Satoru Iwata |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Aug 3, 2006 6:40:14 GMT -5
How is it ruining it? Instead of only Nintendo franchise characters we get the chance to have a greater variety of great characters.
There are some great Nintendo characters that haven't been used yet, sure - but are any of them as instanly recognisable and as well-loved as Snake? I don't think so.
3rd parties are the strawberries on the already lovely cake that is SSB.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 3, 2006 8:31:43 GMT -5
I had already accepted that third-party characters were likely to appear. Frankly, I was just pleased that the first one shown wasn't Sonic. That would have been too predictable.
Yes, SSB and SSBM were a celebration of Nintendo. We've celebrated Nintendo twice so far, and now it's time to celebrate some of the other videogame companies that helped Nintendo get to where they are today... while simultaneously celebrating Nintendo again.
I mean Pit's in it. That inclusion should be enough to undermine any bad feelings about third-party characters.
Anyone who doesn't buy this game because of third party characters is not welcome at my house. Probably because you'd drool fanboy slobber all over my control pads.
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Post by amazingeee on Aug 3, 2006 10:55:18 GMT -5
I had already accepted that third-party characters were likely to appear. Frankly, I was just pleased that the first one shown wasn't Sonic. That would have been too predictable. I do hope they get Sonic in there though... And I agree with everyone who is disgusted at those disgusted with the inclusion of 3rd party characters... I'd rather major 3rd party characters than minor little Nintendo characters that no one but the most die hard fanboy cares to "celebrate." hOW can you put SNAIKE IN whEn STANLEY from DonkYe KonnG3 isN'tT IN!!!1!!!!!111!!!1shift!!11!!11!!!1 |
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Aug 3, 2006 11:50:44 GMT -5
With this 3rd Party inclusion, do you guys believe there's still room for other Mr. Game & Watch-like characters (in the sense that Mr. Game & Watch represents Nintendo industry and not just one game or game franchise)? R.O.B. and Shigeru Miyamoto are two of the ones I can think of.
R.O.B. has had numerous cameos and references and became playable in the Mario universe recently. He could be given a better body so that he can fight.
And Miyamoto... Well, you guys know all about him; and he appeared inside the Wii Sports demo (was he the guy dancing during the Game Boy Camera credits?). This proves he can become a video game character.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Aug 3, 2006 12:45:48 GMT -5
And Miyamoto... Well, you guys know all about him; and he appeared inside the Wii Sports demo (was he the guy dancing during the Game Boy Camera credits?). This proves he can become a video game character. YES. And I always want to see him fighting with his creations. Or maybe Miyamoto vs Iwata. Or Koji vs Totaka. I don't know. |
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Post by amazingeee on Aug 3, 2006 13:50:12 GMT -5
Miyamota as playable character? Hahahahaha.... That would be funny...
But yes, I think there is still room for more obscure Nintendo characters... I trust Sakurai will still cover all the bases, and even if some deserving Nintendo character misses the cut, you can't really blame it on Snake's inclusion... I mean, Pit and Wario missed the cut last time around, and they seemed like no brainers...
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 3, 2006 14:56:19 GMT -5
I'd rather major 3rd party characters than minor little Nintendo characters that no one but the most die hard fanboy cares to "celebrate." hOW can you put SNAIKE IN whEn STANLEY from DonkYe KonnG3 isN'tT IN!!!1!!!!!111!!!1shift!!11!!11!!!1This is where I disagree. I love obscure characters. But I'd much prefer third-party characters to secondary characters such as, say, Diddy Kong or Ridley. |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Aug 3, 2006 15:07:15 GMT -5
How is it ruining it? Instead of only Nintendo franchise characters we get the chance to have a greater variety of great characters. There are some great Nintendo characters that haven't been used yet, sure - but are any of them as instantly recognizable and as well-loved as Snake? I don't think so. 3rd parties are the strawberries on the already lovely cake that is SSB. Mickey Mouse is instantly recognized and well-loved by more people than Snake. Should he be in SSBB? The Metal Gear series has hardly appeared on Nintendo consoles recently. And when it has it's just a bunch of remakes. Also, Disney games and the Disney cards that Nintendo use to make have helped Nintendo get where they are. Should Mickey be in SSB? 1.I didn't talk like that in my previous post. 2.I don't want minor characters in SSB. I want characters that had important roles in their series. 3.I don't want Stanely in SSB. He isn't very important to the Mario series. Some trophies of important Nintendo employees would be cool, but I don't think playable characters would work. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 3, 2006 18:04:15 GMT -5
Mickey Mouse is instantly recognized and well-loved by more people than Snake. Should he be in SSBB? The Metal Gear series has hardly appeared on Nintendo consoles recently. And when it has it's just a bunch of remakes. Also, Disney games and the Disney cards that Nintendo use to make have helped Nintendo get where they are. Should Mickey be in SSB? Well, you must have missed the bit where we talk about it being a celebration of Nintendo and videogaming characters. Actually, by limiting the selection to characters that have appeared on Nintendo consoles, it still remains a testament to how Nintendo helped each of these characters - and those companies. As for Metal Gear on Nintendo consoles. He was born on the NES, followed up by a NES sequel, got a Game Boy Color game and MGS got a complete Gamecube-exclusive overhaul (not just a standard port like you'd expect). Not to mention the fact that the MGS designer is one of the most vocal advocates of Nintendo's Wii right now. 1.I didn't talk like that in my previous post. 2.I don't want minor characters in SSB. I want characters that had important roles in their series. 3.I don't want Stanely in SSB. He isn't very important to the Mario series. Where exactly do you draw that "important" line? Hmm? Stanley is the hero of his own videogame - that puts him above LOADS of the existing Smash Bros. characters. Surely no lower than Ice Climbers and Ness (and they're well on their way to mass acceptance). |
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Post by Smashchu on Aug 3, 2006 18:09:51 GMT -5
This is where I disagree. I love obscure characters. But I'd much prefer third-party characters to secondary characters such as, say, Diddy Kong or Ridley. I disagree somewhat. If that was true then there would only be 3rd party as new characters. I understand a good amount of franchises must be represtented but the secondary characters do help expand that franchise. I think theres a limit but there good choices expecially since both the Metroid and Donkey Kong franchise are horrably under represented. |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Aug 3, 2006 19:19:39 GMT -5
Well, you must have missed the bit where we talk about it being a celebration of Nintendo and videogaming characters. Actually, by limiting the selection to characters that have appeared on Nintendo consoles, it still remains a testament to how Nintendo helped each of these characters - and those companies. And adding Mickey would make it a celebration of Nintendo, other video game companies, and Disney. There is no difference between Disney and Konami. Both are third party compainies, both started without help from Nintendo, both would survive without Nintendo, both have previously worked with Nintendo. Metal gear was originally released on the MSX. And yet MGS4 is coming to PS3 instead of Wii. MGS1-3 were on PS/PS2. And PSP gets the MGA series instead of the DS. Thanks Kojima, thanks a lot. Where you draw the line depends on the series. Dozens of characters have been playable in the Mario series. So only being playable once isn't that important, especially since he hasn't made any other appearances in the Mario series. Toad is probably the only other Mario character that's important enough to be in SSB(Not counting spin-off characters from DK, Yoshi, and Wario series). Bowser Jr., Waluigi, Daisy, Birdo, Kammy, and Kamek are pretty important, but I'd don't their important enough. |
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Aug 3, 2006 21:06:41 GMT -5
Now now, not every single Nintendo character you can think of should be playable. I guess third party characters would work, though. Sakurai has gone and spoken with the others, right?
There's more to speculate than just playable characters, mind you.
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Aug 4, 2006 2:26:18 GMT -5
And adding Mickey would make it a celebration of Nintendo, other video game companies, and Disney. There is no difference between Disney and Konami. Both are third party compainies, both started without help from Nintendo, both would survive without Nintendo, both have previously worked with Nintendo. Disney isn't a video game company. Konami is. Simple as that. Konami have supported Nintendo on every console (or just about every one), and have some franchises that have consistantly been popular on Nintendo consoles, such as Castlevania. They are very much a part of Nintendo's history. While Snake and Kojima themselves aren't quite as close to Nintendo as some of the other franchises, Snake is Konami's most well known and liked character, and hence is a good choice. Plus it allows one of the best talents in video games to get invovled with the games, which is only good news. I'm sure if Nintendo had the choice of putting in Mickey Mouse and getting development help from Walt Disney, they would. |
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