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Post by Sqrt2 on Nov 29, 2007 4:02:23 GMT -5
We didn't get it here... I actually bought a boxed set of it from America just to check it out, and I wasn't impressed with the dub. That's funny because I've seen it on POP!, on saturday or sunday (not entirely sure which day) at about 8 AM. It was the episode where DeDeDe plants some 'ancient artefacts' which he uses to try and prove that the DeDeDe clan are the true rulers instead of the Kappi clan. I thought the VA was OK apart from Metaknight's spanish accent. |
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Post by parrothead on Nov 29, 2007 4:21:32 GMT -5
Balloon Fighter became a Sticker, which probably means he is not confirmed as anything else.
I guess four Japan-Only characters will appear. Lucas is contemporary and Marth is retro. For another retro character, I would say either Takamaru or Sukapon (Skah-pon), and for another contemporary character, I would say either Stafy or DeMille.
Joy Mech Fight is most likely obsolete, because the SSB series is a 2D fighter more important than Joy Mech Fight. Back when the NES title was released, several people were like "Oh no. Not another clone of Street Fighter II: World Warrior!" Also, it was released in 1993, which the Super NES/Super Famicom was being used during that time more than the NES/Famicom.
Right now, Joy Mech Fight is pretty popular in Japan. Fans made unofficial CD albums containing remixes and arrangements of JMF's BGM. The Famicom title didn't sell well, but it became popular several years later, but I guess Nintendo wouldn't revive it probably because they believe that sales are more important than popularity. Fire Emblem 4 became the most popular Fire Emblem title in Japan, but Nintendo sold more copies of Fire Emblem 3 than Fire Emblem 4. That's one reason why Marth was added to SSBM's roster, and I know there are many other reasons why he was added to SSBM's roster.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Nov 29, 2007 5:16:57 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Sakurai's not designing the game on an obscure-by-percentage basis. Maybe if he'd designed 10 games filled with the same percentage of obscure stuff then there'd be a reliable pattern, but you are extracting your "pattern" from a single game (SSB didn't have ANY Japan-only characters, so that doesn't count) and you simply can't do that.
This is what we've talked about before. I don't want Takamaru in to fill some kind of quota. I want him in because he'd be really cool.
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Post by rukifellth on Dec 4, 2007 10:08:25 GMT -5
Well, I've made a comical SSBB image with a "what if" Demille's gonna be in SSBB, and possible problems, one of them I guess some will recognise (thanks for the inspiration Parrothead!) but all the others are mine...
Oh, and it is posted among the Fanart section...
EDIT by FG64 We don't need it twice, and it's TOO BIG!
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Post by Flip on Dec 4, 2007 15:30:26 GMT -5
Takamaru is a legitimate potential fighter. Sakurai has commented with willingness to include him on the Melee site. That is ALL we know, that is ALL we will go on. END OF DISCUSSION.
Japan or US only should have no bearing on whether a character is included or not, I'm sorry. It's just not a legitimate argument. We have seen the replacement of one popular character with his Japan-only replacement, the inclusion of two Japan-only characters in one game whose series wasn't even heard of in the US, and countless inclusions of characters, objects, and stages that Japanese couldn't give two craps about.
This is Nintendo. Not Japan Nintendo. Not America Nintendo. Not even Australia Nintendo. It's frigging Nintendo.
Sakurai will include whatever he damn well pleases and we will like it or lump it. Japanese or not.
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Post by Smashchu on Dec 4, 2007 18:30:24 GMT -5
Balloon Fighter became a Sticker, which probably means he is not confirmed as anything else. I guess four Japan-Only characters will appear. Lucas is contemporary and Marth is retro. For another retro character, I would say either Takamaru or Sukapon (Skah-pon), and for another contemporary character, I would say either Stafy or DeMille. Joy Mech Fight is most likely obsolete, because the SSB series is a 2D fighter more important than Joy Mech Fight. Back when the NES title was released, several people were like "Oh no. Not another clone of Street Fighter II: World Warrior!" Also, it was released in 1993, which the Super NES/Super Famicom was being used during that time more than the NES/Famicom. Right now, Joy Mech Fight is pretty popular in Japan. Fans made unofficial CD albums containing remixes and arrangements of JMF's BGM. The Famicom title didn't sell well, but it became popular several years later, but I guess Nintendo wouldn't revive it probably because they believe that sales are more important than popularity. Fire Emblem 4 became the most popular Fire Emblem title in Japan, but Nintendo sold more copies of Fire Emblem 3 than Fire Emblem 4. That's one reason why Marth was added to SSBM's roster, and I know there are many other reasons why he was added to SSBM's roster. Parrothead, I think your over emphasizing the Japan-only stuff. I think Takamaru is the only Japan-only newcomer to make it into Brawl. Sukapon and DeMille are very obscured, and Strafy doesn't have as much of a shot (seems like it needs to come here). Everyone has said this. There is no quota. If anything, there will be less Japan-only characters as Sakurai is trying to make this more worldwide. Reason we have gotten things in the game we'll like (verses Japan). Takamaru holds a lot of classic pressence and Sakurai likes him. Some of the other characters I don't think peek his interest. He hasn't said much on them. Also, this roster will be packed, so asking for a loot of these characters won't end well. That's just my take on it. Some Japanese only characters are nice, but don't let it be the only characters you want in the game, and the only ones you focus on. Their cool and all, but should get in becuase they are worthy of that spot. |
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Post by thores on Dec 4, 2007 22:34:39 GMT -5
Takamaru is a legitimate potential fighter. Sakurai has commented with willingness to include him on the Melee site. That is ALL we know, that is ALL we will go on. END OF DISCUSSION. Japan or US only should have no bearing on whether a character is included or not, I'm sorry. It's just not a legitimate argument. We have seen the replacement of one popular character with his Japan-only replacement, the inclusion of two Japan-only characters in one game whose series wasn't even heard of in the US, and countless inclusions of characters, objects, and stages that Japanese couldn't give two craps about. This is Nintendo. Not Japan Nintendo. Not America Nintendo. Not even Australia Nintendo. It's frigging Nintendo. Sakurai will include whatever he damn well pleases and we will like it or lump it. Japanese or not. Except you seem to be forgetting that Sakurai explicitly said he was cutting back on Japan-only content for Brawl because he realizes that Smash an international franchise now. This obviously doesn't mean there will be zero Japan only content, as we've already seen, but it also means, at least to an extent that Sakurai isn't necessarily going to "include whatever he damn well pleases". There are obviously factors that he puts into consideration, and unfortunately this time region is one of those factors. |
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Post by Flip on Dec 5, 2007 1:37:34 GMT -5
Takamaru is a legitimate potential fighter. Sakurai has commented with willingness to include him on the Melee site. That is ALL we know, that is ALL we will go on. END OF DISCUSSION. Japan or US only should have no bearing on whether a character is included or not, I'm sorry. It's just not a legitimate argument. We have seen the replacement of one popular character with his Japan-only replacement, the inclusion of two Japan-only characters in one game whose series wasn't even heard of in the US, and countless inclusions of characters, objects, and stages that Japanese couldn't give two craps about. This is Nintendo. Not Japan Nintendo. Not America Nintendo. Not even Australia Nintendo. It's frigging Nintendo. Sakurai will include whatever he damn well pleases and we will like it or lump it. Japanese or not. Except you seem to be forgetting that Sakurai explicitly said he was cutting back on Japan-only content for Brawl because he realizes that Smash an international franchise now. This obviously doesn't mean there will be zero Japan only content, as we've already seen, but it also means, at least to an extent that Sakurai isn't necessarily going to "include whatever he damn well pleases". There are obviously factors that he puts into consideration, and unfortunately this time region is one of those factors. And I quote: "The youth with the psychic powers has appeared—it’s Lucas! He makes his anticipated debut from the Japan-only release MOTHER 3." "It’s the devil from the NES game, Devil World! This particular game was never released in the United States, actually." "#171-180: In this update, Sakurai basically just says that since Smash Bros is popular throughout the world, he can't just use characters that are only popular in Japan. But then he brings up that it worked for the Fire Emblem characters." "#201-210: Sakurai says in response to an email asking only for well-known characters (like Mario, Link, etc.) to appear in SSBB, "Asking only for popular characters to appear in Smash...doesn't get me excited"" "Sakurai says that if there is ever another Nazo no Murasamejou game with Takamaru, he would probably be put into Smash." |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Dec 5, 2007 3:58:51 GMT -5
And yet today's X update more or less gives up Japophiles an advantage ;D
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Post by parrothead on Dec 5, 2007 4:04:29 GMT -5
I believe that SSBB will become a fighting game that will show and tell gamers around the world about several parts of Nintendo's history, including those that are Japan-Only. Did anyone know that Nintendo used to be a Japan-Only company? They did, until Minoru Arakawa founded Nintendo of America and became the first president there.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Dec 5, 2007 4:06:17 GMT -5
Err... not strictly true. They had US distributors for a few of their lightgun arcade machines before NoA was set up.
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Post by parrothead on Dec 5, 2007 4:09:42 GMT -5
Err... not strictly true. They had US distributors for a few of their lightgun arcade machines before NoA was set up. Lightgun arcade machines? You mean like this Duck Hunt or this Duck Hunt? |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Dec 5, 2007 6:16:19 GMT -5
I mean like the old Wild Gunman machine and the other one where you have to shoot the bottles.
As far as vidjamogames go, Nintendo had released only a tiny handful before they established Nintendo of America, so you can't really say they were a Japan-only company before then. Unless you're talking about their toys and playing cards exclusively. As a videogame company, they've nearly always been international.
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Post by thores on Dec 5, 2007 6:57:30 GMT -5
Except you seem to be forgetting that Sakurai explicitly said he was cutting back on Japan-only content for Brawl because he realizes that Smash an international franchise now. This obviously doesn't mean there will be zero Japan only content, as we've already seen, but it also means, at least to an extent that Sakurai isn't necessarily going to "include whatever he damn well pleases". There are obviously factors that he puts into consideration, and unfortunately this time region is one of those factors. And I quote: "The youth with the psychic powers has appeared—it’s Lucas! He makes his anticipated debut from the Japan-only release MOTHER 3." "It’s the devil from the NES game, Devil World! This particular game was never released in the United States, actually." "#171-180: In this update, Sakurai basically just says that since Smash Bros is popular throughout the world, he can't just use characters that are only popular in Japan. But then he brings up that it worked for the Fire Emblem characters." "#201-210: Sakurai says in response to an email asking only for well-known characters (like Mario, Link, etc.) to appear in SSBB, "Asking only for popular characters to appear in Smash...doesn't get me excited"" "Sakurai says that if there is ever another Nazo no Murasamejou game with Takamaru, he would probably be put into Smash." Oh my god, did you even read my post? " This obviously doesn't mean there will be zero Japan only content, as we've already seen". And yet you post all the exceptions to the rule revealed as if it's a valid counterargument! I am aware of them! What you seem to be unaware of is that they are just that, exceptions. The game will include JP-only content. But Sakurai himself said that it won't include a lot of it. Sheesh. Plus, out of those things you posted, only ONE of them has been an example of bonafide JP-only content in the actual game. With the new X music, we now have two. Two updates out of 171 doesn't exactly prove your point fantastically. |
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Post by kirbychu on Dec 5, 2007 7:09:42 GMT -5
I don't think Sakurai is conciously limiting the amount of Japan-only content. In fact, I think he very much is just including whatever he damn well feels like. And from the looks of it, he damn well feels like including a lot of stuff from all over. Sure, we haven't seen much Japan-only stuff... But Japan-only stuff is a minority. There's much more international content to go around.
From what I can see, the closest he said to "NO JAPAN STUFF!!!" was actually more along the lines of "I can't just use stuff that's only popular in Japan!"
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