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Post by Fryguy64 on Dec 19, 2007 3:59:48 GMT -5
Wow, Japan's taste is waaaay different than ours. I also found out that they didn't like the Prime series, which were really popular here. What makes each country have different tastes? Is it the exposure? The environment? Also, while I'm on the subject, how is it everyone in Japan draws pictures exactly the same? And interesting questions. In the case of Metroid Prime, it possibly boils down to biology. Many Japanese gamers complain of motion sickness playing FPS games, something that most people in the West don't get. But then the Metroid games have never been massively popular in Japan, but we in the West love a bit of the sci-fi action ;D As for the drawing exactly the same - manga is prevalent in the same way comic books are prevalent in the West. But there's such a wide range of drawing styles within that, it's a little unfair to say they all look exactly the same  But it's not like Western animation is striving for originality of style right now. |
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Post by Spud on Dec 19, 2007 12:29:24 GMT -5
Wow, Japan's taste is waaaay different than ours. I also found out that they didn't like the Prime series, which were really popular here. What makes each country have different tastes? Is it the exposure? The environment? Also, while I'm on the subject, how is it everyone in Japan draws pictures exactly the same? And interesting questions. In the case of Metroid Prime, it possibly boils down to biology. Many Japanese gamers complain of motion sickness playing FPS games, something that most people in the West don't get. But then the Metroid games have never been massively popular in Japan, but we in the West love a bit of the sci-fi action ;D As for the drawing exactly the same - manga is prevalent in the same way comic books are prevalent in the West. But there's such a wide range of drawing styles within that, it's a little unfair to say they all look exactly the same But it's not like Western animation is striving for originality of style right now. Part of it also goes into the history of Japanese entertainment. For a long time Japanese Live Action movies were crap, and expensive crap at that. Thats where their Manga and Anime came from was to find a cheeper alterenitive to the Live action industry. This led to a jump in cuteness. In the end the Japanese prefer games that appear more like the anime and Manga than Live action. In the west though we've had the exact opposite while our live action industry is very strong our animation studios are absolute crap (look at what happend to Disney.) We therefore seem to prefer more realistic games to cutesy games. (I remember even myself being outraged at Windwaker and saying I wouldn't buy the game. It's become my favorite LoZ title graphically. ) |
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Post by Manspeed on Dec 19, 2007 14:24:47 GMT -5
Damn. Entertainment-wise, Japan is like bizarro America. Pretty odd, since there used to be a time when animation was a far more accepted medium in America, and that point was when Japan picked it up from us.
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Post by TV Eye on Dec 19, 2007 16:34:17 GMT -5
Now everything's all CGI...
Anyways, nice post Spud, you really put things into perspective.
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Post by Flip on Dec 19, 2007 23:21:22 GMT -5
The argument that Tomato Adventure is more popular than Nazo based on fanart is bull. I can do a DeviantArt search of the Ninja (Hero, for you Brits ;p) Turtles and find hundreds of drawings. And amongst those drawings, I discover there's quite a few of oh... let's say Dr. Baxter. Now, based on this... do I argue that Baxter is the most popular Turtles character? Or do I argue that there is at least a steady fanbase for Baxter? Maybe the majority of Turtles fans are shoddy artists and can't draw worth crap, but the few that can absolutely love Dr. Baxter. The nature of fanart as a whole is selective towards Dr. Baxter, but it doesn't mean the whole population is completely fanatical about the character. My point is this: small populations represent squat. In Biology, you could call it "Genetic Drift." In everything else, you call it "Bias." When you section out a small group of individuals from the greater population, they are going to pass through a bottleneck that produces only their "kind" in the future. If you look at the video gaming public as a whole, the type of people who are Tomato Adventure fans is so miniscule compared to all the other types of people out there. Yes, there is a fanbase present. But its percentage of the population is minute. It's like arguing that you found an island of pygmies in the South Pacific so there must be a common gene for pygmy going around. No, it just means that there were a couple pygmies from somewhere survived on this little island to make more pygmies. I drink all the IPAs in my fridge, leaving the stouts behind for later. Does that mean all beers are stouts? No, it just means I'm selecting for a smaller population from the total to examine. In reality the fridge is loaded with beer (which she totally is ), of all shapes and sizes. I'm just choosing to focus on the one kind. If that didn't drive the point home enough, or prove I paid attention in my Evolutionary Bio course, I don't know what does. |
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Post by Smashchu on Dec 20, 2007 0:06:48 GMT -5
One thing with how popular something is uin a culture is that culture's background.
Lets' look at western vs eastern RPGs. Western (with an individulist culture) focuses more on your character. You play though his struggles and learn about him. There are other characters but they are never more important then yourself. And you'll often have to make a choice that effects him. Eastern (with collectivist culture) focuses more on your party as a whole then the main character. This isn't your struggle but the struggle of all the characters. All the characters are characterized and have their own unique background stories. That's why teams like friendship pop up in eastern RPGs.
Now on Takamaru........
I couldn't find sales on Vgchartz. I found them for the GBA game but not the NES game (or Disk Drive). But I beleive Takamaru is going to get in for two reasons.
1)Sakurai shows particular interest in him
2)Compared to other Japan-only characters, he'd be the best received character.
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Post by parrothead on Dec 20, 2007 0:26:50 GMT -5
Now on Takamaru........ I couldn't find sales on Vgchartz. I found them for the GBA game but not the NES game (or Disk Drive). But I beleive Takamaru is going to get in for two reasons. 1)Sakurai shows particular interest in him 2)Compared to other Japan-only characters, he'd be the best received character. |1.| That's true. |2.| Explain why he would be the best received character. I couldn't find any kind of sales on the FDS version, either. But I also did find the sales on the GBA port at VGChartz. Nazo no Murasame-jo hasn't been released for the Virtual Console, yet. Not even for the Japanese Virtual Console. This probably means that Sakurai has added Takamaru to SSBB either as a playable character (most likely) or as an Assist Trophy (second most likely). The FDS title is very likely at being released for the Virtual Console, not only because it doesn't require much translation, but also due to people becoming more interested in Japanese culture than before, this will work okay. |
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Post by Smashchu on Dec 20, 2007 2:17:19 GMT -5
2 is talking about the west. He'd be the most well received character in the west. Part of the reason Marth and Roy were accepted were that they were cool characters in their own right. While DeMille and Sakupon are very interesting characters, they may not be well received in the west (more so America) for their cutesy nature.
EDIT:I just forgot to add the "most well received character in the west" part.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2007 2:21:01 GMT -5
The argument that Tomato Adventure is more popular than Nazo based on fanart is bull. I can do a DeviantArt search of the Ninja (Hero, for you Brits ;p) Turtles and find hundreds of drawings. And amongst those drawings, I discover there's quite a few of oh... let's say Dr. Baxter. Now, based on this... do I argue that Baxter is the most popular Turtles character? Or do I argue that there is at least a steady fanbase for Baxter? Maybe the majority of Turtles fans are shoddy artists and can't draw worth crap, but the few that can absolutely love Dr. Baxter. The nature of fanart as a whole is selective towards Dr. Baxter, but it doesn't mean the whole population is completely fanatical about the character.
TO DEVIANTART!!! They shall solve this mystery for us! |
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Post by Smashchu on Dec 20, 2007 2:22:45 GMT -5
TO DEVIANTART!!! They shall solve this mystery for us! [/color][/quote] Or give us Furry porn or a bunch of :3 crap. You decide. |
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Post by parrothead on Dec 20, 2007 3:22:42 GMT -5
2 is talking about the west. He'd be the most well received character in the west. Part of the reason Marth and Roy were accepted were that they were cool characters in their own right. While DeMille and Sakupon are very interesting characters, they may not be well received in the west (more so America) for their cutesy nature. EDIT:I just forgot to add the "most well received character in the west" part. Which is why many people want more characters that are less wacky and either don't smile so large or don't smile at all, like: - Wolf O'Donnell
- Ridley
- Claus in his spoiler outfit
- Lucario
- Any one of the Ray models except the original Ray (Custom Robo series)
- Geno
- Black Knight
- Ashley
- Black Shadow
- Ganondorf
- Darkrai
- Krystal
- Marth
And of course, Takamaru. |
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Post by NinjaRygar on Dec 20, 2007 4:32:40 GMT -5
TO DEVIANTART!!! They shall solve this mystery for us! [/color][/quote] Or give us Furry porn or a bunch of :3 crap. You decide.[/quote] YOU WIN. Don't forget "inflation" art. *shudder* |
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Post by Smashchu on Dec 20, 2007 13:14:20 GMT -5
2 is talking about the west. He'd be the most well received character in the west. Part of the reason Marth and Roy were accepted were that they were cool characters in their own right. While DeMille and Sakupon are very interesting characters, they may not be well received in the west (more so America) for their cutesy nature. EDIT:I just forgot to add the "most well received character in the west" part. Which is why many people want more characters that are less wacky and either don't smile so large or don't smile at all, like: - Wolf O'Donnell
- Ridley
- Claus in his spoiler outfit
- Lucario
- Any one of the Ray models except the original Ray (Custom Robo series)
- Geno
- Black Knight
- Ashley
- Black Shadow
- Ganondorf
- Darkrai
- Krystal
- Marth
And of course, Takamaru. Well, not all of those characters are liked just becuase of their thought attitude. Issac, WW Link and Olimar are all popular and smile and aren't necessarily "bad ass". You have the right idea, but made kind of a generalization. Lets hue in on Takamaru and DeMille. Olimar has a good chance of getting in but why is it that DeMille is less likely then him (ignoring the poll). The idea is recognition. There is no problem with adding Olimar. It was a game released worldwide, and one that pretty good in sales and reviews. DeMille is from a Japan-only game. So people in the west won't know who he is. So, it will be harder for people tro accept him, Takamaru on the other hand is a cool "bad ass" character. At the very least, he's a samurai, which ozz cool. In this respect, it would be much easier for people to accept him, even thought they know diddily squat about him, then DeMille, whom they also know diddily squat about. |
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Post by Flip on Dec 20, 2007 13:14:32 GMT -5
The argument that Tomato Adventure is more popular than Nazo based on fanart is bull. I can do a DeviantArt search of the Ninja (Hero, for you Brits ;p) Turtles and find hundreds of drawings. And amongst those drawings, I discover there's quite a few of oh... let's say Dr. Baxter. Now, based on this... do I argue that Baxter is the most popular Turtles character? Or do I argue that there is at least a steady fanbase for Baxter? Maybe the majority of Turtles fans are shoddy artists and can't draw worth crap, but the few that can absolutely love Dr. Baxter. The nature of fanart as a whole is selective towards Dr. Baxter, but it doesn't mean the whole population is completely fanatical about the character.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2007 0:43:41 GMT -5
Now, are you talking about the original TNMT cartoon with Baxter the Fly? Or that more recent one with Blackster "I Ain't Got No Booooo-daaaaay" Stockman? Because it's in my humble opinion that Baxter the Fly kicks far more ass than Mecha-Stockman. ;D
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But it's not like Western animation is striving for originality of style right now.
