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Post by kirbychu on Jan 11, 2008 2:55:41 GMT -5
Smashchu, stop arguing. Spud is absolutely right, and you're making yourself look silly.
A character's skeletal structure has nothing to do with their model. It's applied to the model later in order to make their animations work. Imagine a statue of the character standing in front of you - the model is the stuff you can touch. Nothing more. 'Tis very basic 3D design.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jan 11, 2008 4:55:06 GMT -5
HOW are you guys still arguing about it?! Smashchu, I really don't understand what YOU aren't understanding about this? Are you simply ignoring OUR definitions of a model and a skeleton?
The skeleton determines animations, proportions, etc. The 3D model of the character is wrapped around the skeleton.
Captain Falcon's SKELETON is used for Male Wireframe / Red Alloy, but the 3D model is clearly NOT Captain Falcon's as it lacks all of the detail. What do you not understand about this very basic concept?
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Post by Smashchu on Jan 11, 2008 7:37:38 GMT -5
From Wikipedia.
So yes, Wireframes are 3D models. That's what I was getting at. Falcon and Male Wire Frame have the same model. Not to mention this info has been known by Smash players for a while.
EDIT:Here is the deal
I've heard the same thing thrown around from both sides, so I'm looking around trying to find awnsers.Right now, I have only sencond rate sources, so I'm going to try and broaden my seach to more ceridiable sources to awnser this question.
I have heard the other opinion, but it seems to be the same idea as is mine. At this point, nothing new can be said so I will broaden my seach and see if I can find the awnser. If anyone has a source, bring it to the table.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jan 11, 2008 8:31:37 GMT -5
From Wikipedia. So yes, Wireframes are 3D models. That's what I was getting at. Falcon and Male Wire Frame have the same model. Not to mention this info has been known by Smash players for a while. No. No. NO! Male Wireframe and Captain Falcon do not have the same wireframe models. They have totally different models, but they are wrapped around the same animation frames. Captain Falcon's model includes the detailing of his body, his clothes, his face... Male Wireframe has none but the most basic features. This is what we're trying to say to you. If Male Wireframe had the same model as Captain Falcon, it would look like a wireframe of Captain Falcon in every detail! What has actually happened is Captain Falcon's basic proportions and animations (the underlying skeleton that each character has, which has been shown to be mappable from one character to another using cheat devices) is all that has been copied across. Do you understand yet? They have different "models" but they use the same underlying, skeletal proportions and animations. It really isn't a difficult concept to understand! |
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Post by TV Eye on Jan 11, 2008 12:55:45 GMT -5
Hehehe, oh my. It's a good thing I never joined this conversation.  |
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Jan 11, 2008 12:58:49 GMT -5
Hehehe, oh my. It's a good thing I never joined this conversation. Same here. |
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Post by parrothead on Jan 11, 2008 20:08:43 GMT -5
Hehehe, oh my. It's a good thing I never joined this conversation. Same here. Same here.  |
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