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Post by Flip on Oct 5, 2008 12:45:49 GMT -5
Spam Smasher looked cool, but Artoon? Uck... They fudged up Yoshi's Island 2 beyond recognition as a GOOD game.
Anyways, I think the GCN to Wii thing isn't such a bad idea. I mean, MS had to do it for the 360 and Sony's done something along those lines as well. It's not entirely out of left field for a console developer to do that. And although I own a decent chunk of the titles they announced, there is still a few that I was unable to buy, find, or steal for the GCN. And I know a lot of other people who never even heard of half those games.
Think of it a few different ways:
1. There are Wii owners who don't even know what a Gamecube is. They will either be stupefied by "so many releases at once!" and buy them all, or actually did their homework and seriously are looking forward to having these games once and for all.
2. We will likely not see a Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Pikmin, etc. for a while on the Wii. This is a good means to tide people over.
3. If Nintendo does this RIGHT (which there is about a 10% chance of happening...), we may actually get online Mario Tennis and Metroid Prime 2. That's... kinda cool. Admit it.
4. The waggle is indeed gimmick after gimmick, but the prospect of playing Wind Waker with the TP controls does interest me. And never having owned Mario Tennis, this isn't a bad way to get it and include my family in the fun as well.
No, I will likely NOT buy any of these games, but the idea that they are there, and for the reasons that everybody has said already, it's really not a bad move at all. There has to be at least ONE game in there YOU haven't bought or played, right? This is definitely a move towards the core to get us back on track with Nintendo, and I can see where they are coming from completely. Now if they start re-releasing games like Melee and Double Dash, then I'll be concerned... But something like Sunshine or Wind Waker on the Wii might actually be kinda cool, using the relative controls of their Wii cousins.
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Post by Game Guru on Oct 5, 2008 17:26:15 GMT -5
I don't think they'd release Melee or Double Dash as part of the series. Not with Brawl and MKWii out kicking ass and taking names. I suspect Nintendo actually did plan for Melee to be part of the Play on Wii Series if they could not secure a third game from Sakurai, because of that comment where Sakurai stated that Nintendo would make 'Melee with Online' if he didn't want to make a new game.
Note that save for Pikmin, the games announced don't have a confirmed sequel in the works.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2008 18:22:27 GMT -5
I find the concept "Play for Wii" to be a very hollow gesture to try and appease the core market on Nintendo's behalf. Having decided that motion control isn't really All That And A Bag Of Chips™ after the past two years of playing Wii games, it's like Nintendo's suddenly become inbred and begun to caterwaul at it's sister-and-wife-and-daughter.
"HAY, MAW! LET'S GIT SUMMA THEM WIGGLES AN' WAGGLES FER TH' FOLK TAHRED'A FAMBLY GAMES."
You know?
...okay maybe that's too ludicrous. My point is, the Wii is already backwards compatible with all GameCube games and motion controls have proven itself to not be as reliably fun as, say, the Touch Screen on a DS. Realistically, I can only see Metroid Prime and Metroid Prime 2 working out with this new layout and that's assuming Nintendo does it like Metroid Prime 3 was set up and doesn't just bung the whole thing.
Why should we settle for something this lazy and think it's the bee's knees? I've played the first two Pikmin and Metroid Prime games, and if I damn well wanted, I could play them more without incurring any additional cost to myself. Why is Nintendo pissing away resources and time on this wank, and when are we getting new installments to these series instead of piss-easy rehashes? Seriously. Because most people who own a Wii... Didn't own a GameCube. 29.62 million have bought a Wii and 21.74 owned a GameCube, and many of those GameCube owners ignored the Wii because it is catering to a userbase that makes them money. Plus Nintendo has gotten access to this new market for them known as Europe. Nintendo never really had a foothold in Europe until the DS and the Wii. Do you know how expensive getting a GameCube copy of any of the Play on Wii titles? About the only ones vastly cheaper than $30 are Metroid Prime, Jungle Beat, and Chibi-Robo! Hell, Pikmin 2 and Mario Power Tennis for the Wii will likely be CHEAPER than their GC versions. Pikmin 1 is only $5 cheaper and Metroid Prime 2: Echoes is only $10 cheap. Even I'm hoping that this line comes here so that I can get Pikmin 2 and Mario Power Tennis cheaply, and maybe add online to those games. There are GameCube games that I would rebuy if they released them with Wii controls and online play.
Think of it a few different ways: 1. There are Wii owners who don't even know what a Gamecube is. They will either be stupefied by "so many releases at once!" and buy them all, or actually did their homework and seriously are looking forward to having these games once and for all. 2. We will likely not see a Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Pikmin, etc. for a while on the Wii. This is a good means to tide people over. 3. If Nintendo does this RIGHT (which there is about a 10% chance of happening...), we may actually get online Mario Tennis and Metroid Prime 2. That's... kinda cool. Admit it. 4. The waggle is indeed gimmick after gimmick, but the prospect of playing Wind Waker with the TP controls does interest me. And never having owned Mario Tennis, this isn't a bad way to get it and include my family in the fun as well. No, I will likely NOT buy any of these games, but the idea that they are there, and for the reasons that everybody has said already, it's really not a bad move at all. There has to be at least ONE game in there YOU haven't bought or played, right? This is definitely a move towards the core to get us back on track with Nintendo, and I can see where they are coming from completely.
You'd be surprised. I may not invest as much in games now, but back in the GameCube days I picked up hot titles pretty frequently. Any of the confirmed games that I don't still have on the GameCube are the ones I actually found to be pretty awful (I'm lookin' at you, Metroid Prime 2: Exploring Is Something You Can't Do This Metroid Game Because The Enemies Will Rape You up the Butt and You Take Damage From Leaving the Safety Bubbles).
As for your list, I think the ideas of 1 and 2 actually genuinely infuriate me; for something like 1 to happen, Nintendo would have to not only actively not advertise what they're really selling, but they'd have to market it towards, shock, the casual gamers because they're the ones that don't follow up on gaming news and won't be smart enough to know their balls from their ass. And for 2, again, it looks more like a lazy cop-out than actually working to put out new product when aforementioned buy-them-cheap-online-or-in-person GameCube copies sans Gimmicwiggle exist out there already. |
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Post by Flip on Oct 5, 2008 19:54:38 GMT -5
Because most people who own a Wii... Didn't own a GameCube. 29.62 million have bought a Wii and 21.74 owned a GameCube, and many of those GameCube owners ignored the Wii because it is catering to a userbase that makes them money. Plus Nintendo has gotten access to this new market for them known as Europe. Nintendo never really had a foothold in Europe until the DS and the Wii. Do you know how expensive getting a GameCube copy of any of the Play on Wii titles? About the only ones vastly cheaper than $30 are Metroid Prime, Jungle Beat, and Chibi-Robo! Hell, Pikmin 2 and Mario Power Tennis for the Wii will likely be CHEAPER than their GC versions. Pikmin 1 is only $5 cheaper and Metroid Prime 2: Echoes is only $10 cheap. Even I'm hoping that this line comes here so that I can get Pikmin 2 and Mario Power Tennis cheaply, and maybe add online to those games. There are GameCube games that I would rebuy if they released them with Wii controls and online play.
Think of it a few different ways: 1. There are Wii owners who don't even know what a Gamecube is. They will either be stupefied by "so many releases at once!" and buy them all, or actually did their homework and seriously are looking forward to having these games once and for all. 2. We will likely not see a Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Pikmin, etc. for a while on the Wii. This is a good means to tide people over. 3. If Nintendo does this RIGHT (which there is about a 10% chance of happening...), we may actually get online Mario Tennis and Metroid Prime 2. That's... kinda cool. Admit it. 4. The waggle is indeed gimmick after gimmick, but the prospect of playing Wind Waker with the TP controls does interest me. And never having owned Mario Tennis, this isn't a bad way to get it and include my family in the fun as well. No, I will likely NOT buy any of these games, but the idea that they are there, and for the reasons that everybody has said already, it's really not a bad move at all. There has to be at least ONE game in there YOU haven't bought or played, right? This is definitely a move towards the core to get us back on track with Nintendo, and I can see where they are coming from completely.
You'd be surprised. I may not invest as much in games now, but back in the GameCube days I picked up hot titles pretty frequently. Any of the confirmed games that I don't still have on the GameCube are the ones I actually found to be pretty awful (I'm lookin' at you, Metroid Prime 2: Exploring Is Something You Can't Do This Metroid Game Because The Enemies Will Rape You up the Butt and You Take Damage From Leaving the Safety Bubbles).
As for your list, I think the ideas of 1 and 2 actually genuinely infuriate me; for something like 1 to happen, Nintendo would have to not only actively not advertise what they're really selling, but they'd have to market it towards, shock, the casual gamers because they're the ones that don't follow up on gaming news and won't be smart enough to know their balls from their ass. And for 2, again, it looks more like a lazy cop-out than actually working to put out new product when aforementioned buy-them-cheap-online-or-in-person GameCube copies sans Gimmicwiggle exist out there already.QUOTES ARE EPIC AND MASSIVE Anyways... Tei, I see all your points and yes, they are totally valid. But at least see this from the perspective of the assorted number of gamers that did not own Gamecubes, wouldn't know what to do with one, and had no idea these games were any good. These people do exist and, from their viewpoint, this is a fantastic idea. They have the means to buy the GCN originals. Definitely. But a lot of people need that extra kick in the pants. And, from a business stand, this is a very intelligent move. If these folks are dumb enough the be convinced they are buying the "superior" game, then by all means go ahead and do it. If we have learned anything about Nintendo in the past year, they are more about business than gaming anyways. See it that way, at least. |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Oct 5, 2008 19:59:05 GMT -5
Flip hit the nail on the head with his points. I'd also like to add, at least from an Australian perspective, that it was hard enough to find a game like Chibi Robo when it came out, let alone finding a second hand copy now. And I assume the games will be in the 'budget' Wii range, so its not too much of a problem.
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Post by TV Eye on Oct 5, 2008 20:18:56 GMT -5
As a Wii owner whose never owned a Gamecube, I have to agree with Flip...but I also have to agree with TEi, as I went to Gamestop just recently and bought a sh itload of Gamecube games. But I again have to agree with Flip because I couldn't find Pikmin.  |
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Post by Dasher Misire on Oct 5, 2008 20:20:48 GMT -5
This is a perfect way to give F-Zero GX another chance. Shaking the Wiimote could activate ramming attacks, and the nunchuk could be used to do a spin. Then everything else would use buttons. Since good look on Green Plant with the Wii Wheel. Another chance to get a new F-Zero with good sales!
On the other hand, Jungle Beat could have the same thing... but the controls would be like Barrel Blast's abomination, right?
Oh and they need to release Luigi's Mansion by next October with Wii controls. I'd EXPLODE. <3
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Post by Koopaul on Oct 5, 2008 21:21:25 GMT -5
Actually in order for Luigi's Mansion to work with Wii controls you'd probably need to have the camera aimed behind Luigi at all times. I mean you'd control the flashlight/ Poltergust with the pointer, right?
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Post by The Qu on Oct 5, 2008 21:57:43 GMT -5
There are a bunch of GC games I never owned, and am eager for the chance to get for the Wii. Chibi-Robo and Jungle Beat are awesome, since the former isn't too common here in East Tennessee (I've never seen it in stores here) and Jungle Beat would need the Bongos, which are rare too.
I'll be glad to get a Metroid Prime 2 rerelease as well, since mine got broken awhile back. I dug the controls for MP3, and will be glad to see them in MP2, my favorite of the series.
Hope Pikmin 2 gets released. It was way better than 1, IMO.
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Post by Da Robot on Oct 6, 2008 4:02:07 GMT -5
Actually in order for Luigi's Mansion to work with Wii controls you'd probably need to have the camera aimed behind Luigi at all times. I mean you'd control the flashlight/ Poltergust with the pointer, right? It is possible to do it without the pointer, Fatal Frame IV did that for it's flashlight. Just to clarify this topic these are the confirmed GCN games coming to Wii.Pikmin 1 and 2* Metroid Prime 1 and 2* Donkey Kong Jungle Beat Chibi Robo Mario Power Tennis** *(These are two separate games, not one pack with both games but that would be good now wouldn't it?) This just made me realize something MP 1 has GCN-GBA connectivity, I wonder if Nintendo will keep that functionality? EDIT: I checked wikipedia and DiU is right about MPT not having connectivity. Hopefully some more info on this situation gets answered tomorrow as the embargo breaks on Monday (NA time). |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Oct 6, 2008 5:40:24 GMT -5
Mario Tennis doesn't have GBA connectivity, unfortunately.
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Oct 6, 2008 5:55:09 GMT -5
I never played Mario Power Tennis. Is it good? I remember having good fun with the N64 version.
Still, everyone I know who plays games prefers joysticks and buttons over waggle control. So if I'm gonna buy it it'll be the cheaper Gamecube version. Sorry big N.
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Post by Hiker of Games on Oct 6, 2008 6:21:52 GMT -5
People may be overestimating how good these Wii Controls will be. I'll be floored if Metroid Prime's control scheme is anything close to MP3's. I have a feeling they'll more or less control the same as before, but with WiiMote and Nunchuk buttons.
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Oct 6, 2008 6:49:36 GMT -5
I never played Mario Power Tennis. Is it good? I remember having good fun with the N64 version. Debatable. Personally, I like it, as I feel the Power shots help to separate it from other regular tennis games, but the way they are implemented (with the cutaway from the action to the power shot scene) does break up the action and can be very off-putting. Overall I like it, though. |
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Post by Manspeed on Oct 6, 2008 6:51:37 GMT -5
How is it an abomination? I couldn't think of anything wrong with it when I played it.
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