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Post by kirbychu on May 18, 2009 10:54:14 GMT -5
Uhh, why? He looks the same as he did in Brawl.
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on May 18, 2009 19:19:37 GMT -5
Way to not spoiler, douchebags.
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Post by Savage Adam on May 20, 2009 11:54:23 GMT -5
The Official site's been updated with footage of all the characters minus DK.
If you find all three stars on the site you also get some sexy wallpaper.
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Post by Flip on May 20, 2009 21:21:37 GMT -5
That is some epicness right there. I can't believe they actually did something most fans whine about and never get!
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Post by Da Robot on May 20, 2009 23:54:58 GMT -5
Interesting . . . The description for SPO from the history section of the PO site say this. "A fair headed Little Mac returns . . ." (I'm not typing the whole thing down). Nintendo really seems to be reinforcing that it is LM in SPO, (yes I remember that VC press release Parrothead pointed out that said that as well). Does anyone hear with the original SPO SNES game, have the instruction manual say anything about the blond SPO boxer's name? |
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Post by parrothead on May 21, 2009 0:13:28 GMT -5
I asked Fryguy64 that, and he said the manual doesn't mention his name. Not even the SFC nor VC manuals mention his name; however, it's probably talking technologically. In this interview with the people behind PO!! Wii, Bryan Holliday confirmed that Little Mac did not appear in the SPO!! universe. I know, it's very confusing. It sounds reliable, but not from anyone who works for Next Level Games or any other developer that's not Nintendo. Even though he said they researched the entire Punch-Out!! series, the answer to who is "they" is either just Next Level Games or both them and Nintendo. Also, their researching of every (or nearly every) Punch-Out!! information they can find most likely happened during the development of PO!! Wii, which was before the Virtual Console release of the SNES SPO!!, which confirmed that the protagonist is Little Mac. Chris Scullion of Official Nintendo Magazine also refers to the blond-haired protagonist as Little Mac. Bryan Holliday sounds more like a fan of the Punch-Out!! series (especially the ever-popular NES versions) that asked Nintendo if he and Next Level Games would like to help develop a Punch-Out!! Wii game, since video game developers, like movie producers, are running out of ideas and going back to old-school classics to make new games and movies based on them. In fact, PO!! Wii is a game developed by NES PO!! fans for NES PO!! fans. It would of been better if Genyo Takeda (Punch-Out!! series creator), Makoto Wada (Takeda's partner) or anyone of the original Punch-Out!! series staff (especially those who developed the SNES version) was in the same interview and said if the SNES boxer is Little Mac or not. Of course, the NES and SNES versions of Little Mac look very different, but they share one thing in common: they wear green gloves. And why was the SNES Little Mac added to EA's Fight Night Round 2? Because Nintendo and EA were making a deal to feature Nintendo characters in EA's sports games. The Mario characters appeared in the GCN versions of NBA Street V3 and SSX on Tour to help sell the console. |
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Post by kirbychu on May 21, 2009 5:17:12 GMT -5
The only time I can remember the SNES boxer being named was in Fight Night... and he was called Little Mac in that.
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Post by Fryguy64 on May 21, 2009 8:47:04 GMT -5
If I remember, he was just called "Mac" in FNR2. I didn't play it though, so I only have screens to go on.
If people want to believe the blonde boxer from SPO or the ugly-as-sin boxer from the original arcade games are all Little Mac, then I guess there's enough arguments from either side.
But it seems painfully obvious to me that they are different characters.
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Post by parrothead on May 21, 2009 16:33:16 GMT -5
To end this argument, Genyo Takeda, Makoto Wada and several other people from the Nintendo IRD team should team up with Next Level Games and make the Wii version of SPO!! with all the protagonists from the PO!! series (including the prototype of the blonde-haired boxer) as different playable characters to choose from with different move sets.
However, if Mr. Takeda meant to create all protagonists as the same character, then the green hair-do of the wire boxer from the arcade versions might explain why. His hair-do was so plain in his avatar in the first arcade, and later became different in the SPO!! arcade. The wire boxer was probably referred to simply as "Mac", since three letters (whether an initial or three lettered name) can be typed in, but when the NES PO!! was being developed, the IRD team shrunk him and called him "Little Mac" to make it easier for the NES version to simulate the PO!! arcades. Little Mac had plain hair like the first version of the wire boxer did. The blond-haired boxer has a similar hair-do compared to the SPO!! arcade version of the wire boxer, which probably means that the blond-haired boxer is Little Mac in a different makeover. Takeda probably meant to give the SNES SPO!! a plot, but due to not being as experienced in making software as making hardware, and due to also developing Zoda's Revenge: StarTropics II at the same time, Takeda decided to drop most (if not all) of the plot and just go with the game play. There are still some connections between the NES and SNES titles. Gabby Jay's only win was against Glass Joe, and Doc Louis didn't appear, probably because it is a reference to how Rocky Balboa moved on without his trainer in the later Rocky movies.
However, Takeda worked differently on both the NES and SNES versions. He was the director of the NES version (which plays and looks a little different compared to the arcades) and was the producer of the SNES version (which looks and plays more like the arcades. In fact, Takeda was also the producer of the arcade versions). As the producer, he either meant the protagonist to be the player like the wire boxer, or meant to confirm that he is Little Mac, but forgot to put his name somewhere in the game or manual.
If Bryan Holliday said the plot is the core of the series, then why didn't Balloon Kid/Balloon Fight GB succeed over the original Balloon Fight? Balloon Kid had a plot, while the original Balloon Fight didn't. It's probably due to most gamers preferring home console gaming over handheld gaming at that time, making Balloon Kid become overlooked. Despite that, Balloon Kid was updated and released in Japan as "Balloon Fight GB" when Hitoshi Yamagami heard several people in Japan shouting for more Balloon Fight.
The NES PO!! probably caused more people to think it is the very first game in the series for a while, due to arcades becoming less and less popular during the 1983 video game crash. The original PO!! arcade, and several other great arcades released in 1984 like the first beat 'em up, Kung-Fu Master (better known for its NES counterpart simply titled "Kung-Fu") and the first Tower of Druaga (succeeded in Japan, but failed outside of Japan due to not being user-friendly enough) failing to catch enough attention.
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Post by Manspeed on May 21, 2009 17:37:08 GMT -5
tldr: The guy in SPO is Little Mac with a dye job. End of story.  |
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Post by somemannerof on May 21, 2009 19:53:40 GMT -5
So wait, is the new Little Mac hispanic or not? I could swear I heard something about making hispanic.
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Post by Manspeed on May 21, 2009 20:22:58 GMT -5
That's only been joked about by fans based on his tanner looking skin. Otherwise Mac's ethnicity isn't mentioned all other than being from the Bronx.
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Post by Hiker of Games on May 21, 2009 20:45:22 GMT -5
Hispanic? I would've thought him being Italian... somehow it seems more appropriate. Not sure why.
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Post by Shrikeswind on May 21, 2009 20:52:55 GMT -5
Probably because he's so much like Rocky, the Italian Stallion, it's not even funny. If you ask me, he looks Mediterranean in Punch-Out Wii, so I'm saying the boy's Italian.
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Post by Manspeed on May 21, 2009 21:26:16 GMT -5
He's from the Bronx. He may as well be Italian.
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