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Post by kirbychu on Aug 12, 2009 4:40:48 GMT -5
Oh, I know that. I'm just not sure exactly what side of the debate Parrothead is supporting there. Possibly just because I haven't been awake very long.  It seems pretty clear to me that the Arcade and SNES boxers aren't the same character as the NES boxer, but I don't see any reason to believe the Wii one isn't the same character as the NES one... because the game tells us it is! In short, I agree. |
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 12, 2009 10:28:12 GMT -5
Parrothead never supports any side of any debate. He always gushes every possibility from every angle. You're really not fair to the rest of us, Parrot.  |
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Post by parrothead on Aug 16, 2009 2:44:25 GMT -5
If the SNES Little Mac and the NES Little Mac aren't equal, then the SNES Little Mac's probably just sharing the name, but being a different Little Mac, much like comparing several Links in the Zelda series and the Kenshiros in Fist of the North Star and Fist of the Blue Sky. If some of the boxers from the previous Punch-Out!! games got successors in the SNES Super Punch-Out!!, then the SNES Little Mac is probably the successor of the NES Little Mac. If they are equal, then it's probably like comparing the original and Mark of the Wolves (MOW) looks of Terry Bogard.
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 17, 2009 13:28:38 GMT -5
Or maybe the blond guy from SPO just doesn't have a name and the guys who made Fight Night Round 2 aren't major Nintendo nerds like we are. |
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Post by parrothead on Aug 17, 2009 15:03:15 GMT -5
^Probably, but the SNES game was rushed out along with Zoda's Revenge: StarTropics II. Rushing out anything can cause accidents. Some games have naming functions while the protagonist already has an official name (e.g. Takamaru, Link, Ness, Mike Jones, etc.).
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 17, 2009 15:37:22 GMT -5
Why are you assuming it was rushed out? They were working on two games at the same time, neither of them particularly high priority. I'm pretty sure neither game was "rushed".
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 17, 2009 18:25:28 GMT -5
Parrot, what I wanna know is why you're still obsessing over the identity of the guy from SPO anyway. It's already obvious that he isn't Little Mac, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the guys from EA have no credentials when it comes to deciding on names of characters they don't own.
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Post by parrothead on Aug 17, 2009 23:54:43 GMT -5
Why are you assuming it was rushed out? They were working on two games at the same time, neither of them particularly high priority. I'm pretty sure neither game was "rushed". SNES Super Punch-Out!! was rushed out for the same reason why Nintendo wanted Gunpei Yokoi to stop and release the Virtual Boy, instead of continuing to working on it in order to complete it. Zoda's Revenge: StarTropics II was rushed out, because the end of the NES era was near. Parrot, what I wanna know is why you're still obsessing over the identity of the guy from SPO anyway. It's already obvious that he isn't Little Mac, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the guys from EA have no credentials when it comes to deciding on names of characters they don't own. Because of Nintendo confirming the blond boxer to be Little Mac through Fight Night Round 2, the Wii Shop Channel, Nintendo Online Magazine and the Punch-Out!! Wii's official website, along with Bryce Holliday (one of Punch-Out!! Wii's designers) saying that Little Mac did not exist in the Super Punch-Out!! universe. This makes it confusing. Should I trust fans on this kind of stuff? Most fans don't want to believe the blond boxer is Little Mac, because they dislike changes like this. Fans are not as reliable as the people who started this stuff. Many characters have gone through changes through out time and still keep the same name. The naming system in SPO!! is not like in Ocarina of Time where you name your folder anything like "Yo mama", and then the characters refer to you as "Yo mama" while the official name of the character is actually Link, SPO!! was using the naming system to name folders for up to eight people to join in and see who knocked out the boxer(s) the fastest. I tried to check the Japanese Wii Shop Channel details for the SNES SPO!!, but it seems that Nintendo updated it to prevent hackers from doing it. If the blond boxer wasn't referred to as Little Mac in it, then I'm sure it's like comparing the plots of the Japanese and Worldwide versions of Tail's Adventure for the Game Gear. If he was referred to as Little Mac in it, then will fans believe it? If not, then what exactly needs to be done in order to make fans believe the blond boxer is Little Mac? Next Level Games remaking the SNES Super Punch-Out!! while naming the blond boxer Little Mac? SSB4 confirming the blond boxer to be Little Mac while featuring him as a playable character, a regular Trophy, an Assist Trophy, and/or a Sticker? |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 18, 2009 3:52:11 GMT -5
No, most fans don't want to believe that the blond boxer is Little Mac, because you didn't link to any of those sources you just cited.
I know about Fight Night Round 2, and you did make me aware of the Wii Shop Channel (although I haven't verified)... but where did all these other citations come from all of a sudden? Is that Nintendo Online Magazine in Japan?
Are you guessing this is what happened, or was it mentioned in an interview somewhere? Because it sounds a bit like the kind of fan speculation you usually argue against!
Did the original game designers intend for the boxer to be Little Mac? No... The game doesn't refer to him as Mac, the manual doesn't refer to him as Mac, the Japanese website doesn't refer to him as Mac. So he was not originally intended to be Mac. Add to this that the Famicom game was not as popular in Japan as it was in the US, and they received the Super Famicom version 4 years after its US release as a Nintendo Power download only. The series is marginal in Japan, at best.
Is there a chance he will be retconned to be Little Mac? Perhaps. Is there evidence this is happening? Not enough.
What I need is proof. People who write magazines and third party publishers (*cough*EA*cough*) are no more qualified to make "canonical" changes than we are.
And I will always refuse to accept that localisation leads to two separate canonical universes. That's stupid and fanwanky.
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Post by Grandy02 on Aug 18, 2009 5:00:50 GMT -5
I tried to check the Japanese Wii Shop Channel details for the SNES SPO!!, but it seems that Nintendo updated it to prevent hackers from doing it. If the Japanese Wii Shop Channel referred to him as Little Mac, then this would probably also go for the VC website. But it doesn't, he's just called the protagonist. Because of Nintendo confirming the blond boxer to be Little Mac through Fight Night Round 2, the Wii Shop Channel, Nintendo Online Magazine Nintendo Online Magazine, the one at Nintendo's Japanese website?... Hm, probably not, the only Google results for Punch-Out!! there are three list entries and a Miyamoto interview. |
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Post by Dasher Misire on Aug 18, 2009 14:45:29 GMT -5
It's a protagonist but grouped with Little Mac. American companies call him Mac so it's a name change for us then.
It doesn't really matter beyond that. You could be focusing on so much more involving Punch-Out!!, and not be stuck on the identity of a single boxer.
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Post by parrothead on Aug 21, 2009 21:28:21 GMT -5
Electronic Arts has no rights to name the boxer "Little Mac", only Nintendo. They were adding him as a special guest in Fight Night Round 2 while adding the Mario characters in two more EA Sports games: NBA Street V3 and SSX on Tour. To prove that the Wii Shop Channel details for the SNES Super Punch-Out!! said the protagonist's name is Little Mac, just go to the Wii Shop Channel, find Super Punch-Out!! in the SNES section, and read the details. The details are also found here at Nintendo of America's website. Nintendo Online Magazine? Well, I mean " Official Nintendo Magazine", which is the official European magazine brand. Both names sound generic. If Bryce Holliday said that Little Mac does not exist in the Super Punch-Out!! universe, then why does the history section of the official North American Punch-Out!! (Wii) website still refer to the blond-haired boxer as Little Mac? I checked on the Japanese Punch-Out!! (Wii) website, but there is no history section.  If Nintendo of America and the PAL regions are referring to the SNES protagonist as Little Mac, while Nintendo of Japan is not, then I'm pretty sure the SNES title is mostly for gamers outside of Japan, while they are using the name to attract Little Mac fans toward the SNES title to make it sell better. Nintendo of America is like KFC headlines saying the original recipe is always kept secret, while Bryce Holliday is like the KFC CEO employee saying the original recipe is no longer a secret. The "rushing out" thing I was talking about was a guess. Genyo Takeda isn't as experienced in software development as he is in hardware. Also, he and his crew developing the SNES Super Punch-Out!! and Zoda's Revenge: StarTropics II simultaneously makes it easier for them to make mistakes than when developing one game. If Nintendo's mascot was formally known as Jumpman, but is now Mario, while the Balloon Fighter wasn't originally called "Balloon Fighter", then why can't the SNES boxer have an official name after formally being a nameless character? |
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 21, 2009 23:01:28 GMT -5
Because he wasn't given one.
Either way, it seems that there's only a grand total of two instance of Blond Guy being referred to as Little Mac, and neither of them were by the makers of Punch-Out!!, so forget about it.
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Post by kirbychu on Aug 25, 2009 6:13:40 GMT -5
ONM are about as trustworthy a source on Nintendo history as we are. Perhaps less.
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Post by somemannerof on Aug 25, 2009 6:43:20 GMT -5
Check under the "Gallery". Their section is actually more complete than America's is! |
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