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Post by Fryguy64 on Nov 20, 2008 4:35:46 GMT -5
Does anyone else find it amusing that we went wildly off topic almost immediately, but have somehow managed to stay on THIS side-topic for so long, even though we have an active Donkey Kong topic in the classic forum as well? I guess we're all in a DK mood!
My view is that modern DK is motivated in the same way as classic DK. Sure, he may occasionally perform heroic deeds - he may also perform villainous deed... but really he's just simple, stubborn and loves bananas (and apparently also Mini Mario toys and Pauline).
I'm going to bring it back to Brawl here, as the cutscenes in Subspace Emissary appeared to be perfect representations of the characters. Donkey Kong is brutish, but generally kind-hearted. He's not just a hero, or just a villain... he's a bit more complex than that, which is something Nintendo's quite keen on with most of their antagonists.
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Post by kirbychu on Nov 20, 2008 4:37:08 GMT -5
Wario: acts selfishly Mario: acts selflessly DK: acts in self-interest Yes, that's a much better way of putting it. XD As a side note, is the best thing I have read all week. |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Nov 20, 2008 6:18:53 GMT -5
you... you bit him? On the head? You ran up and jumped on him and bit him on the head? You ran up to him, leapt onto his back, and then proceeded to bite. him. on. the. head?
What. The. Fuck?
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Post by kirbychu on Nov 20, 2008 6:53:57 GMT -5
It's a common occurrence. In Half-life.
Arcadenik is a headcrab.
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Post by Hiker of Games on Nov 20, 2008 6:55:15 GMT -5
Arcadenik had to live up to full life consequences!
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Post by Grandy02 on Nov 20, 2008 6:57:21 GMT -5
At least he didn't bite his ear off.  |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Nov 20, 2008 7:50:33 GMT -5
Arcadenik was created by the Chozo to fight the X Virus. I thought this was common knowledge.
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Post by Koopaul on Nov 20, 2008 12:06:39 GMT -5
Does anyone else find it amusing that we went wildly off topic almost immediately, but have somehow managed to stay on THIS side-topic for so long, even though we have an active Donkey Kong topic in the classic forum as well? I guess we're all in a DK mood! Well you must admit it makes for a much more interesting debate. Nintendo's quite keen on with most of their antagonists. Antagonist? You just said he wasn't a villain. Ah, I hate how Nintendo is try to turn him into the villain of yesteryear he should not be today. DK should be known as a hero, saving friends and protecting his bananas. |
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Post by TV Eye on Nov 20, 2008 12:30:53 GMT -5
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Post by Fryguy64 on Nov 20, 2008 12:51:02 GMT -5
Antagonist? You just said he wasn't a villain. Ah, I hate how Nintendo is try to turn him into the villain of yesteryear he should not be today. DK should be known as a hero, saving friends and protecting his bananas. I don't think Nintendo ever stopped thinking of him as the villain from yesteryear. Like I said, he was brutish, stubborn and dumb. That's what he's always been and the Rare games didn't change that - they just put him in the lead role. He must be a bit dumb to be captured by K. Rool twice, and if you're questioning any of this, I recommend looking at DK64 again - where he was brutish, stubborn and dumb. He's never been explicitly evil. The same could be said of Wario. He's greedy, selfish and gross, but he can also take the lead role in a game. It doesn't stop him being any of those things. |
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Post by Grandy02 on Nov 20, 2008 14:01:01 GMT -5
The same could be said of Wario. With the exception that Wario has genius traits on rare ocassions - when he can't get the money on the rough way. But I think that Wario badgers other people deliberately, a scumbag (but deep down, a rather good guy I think) he is, while DK is more likely lead by his stupidity and animal instincts when doing bad stuff. He came in terms with Mario again in the endings of MvsDK and MvsDK2, after all. But now please no debate on Wario's personality as long as Wario World hasn't been announced for the Wii.  |
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Post by Manspeed on Nov 20, 2008 18:18:25 GMT -5
I think DK'a villainous-qualities were just illustrated less during the Rare years and have been shown more and more that era ended, given that Nintendo seemed to just chuck him in as a Mario sidecharacter whenever they could. I already explained that they probably opted to re-instate some of the DK arcade element back into DK, evidenced by the release of Mvs.DK and the mislabeling in his Melee trophy and such.
In more recent times, things like PAON's games and Brawl might have DK veering back in the direction he was heading when Rare was still around.
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Post by Koopaul on Nov 20, 2008 21:31:18 GMT -5
Like I said, he was brutish, stubborn and dumb. Brutish and dumb maybe, but where are you getting the stubborn from? Mario VS. Donkey Kong? Remember there's a difference between this...  And this...  |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Nov 21, 2008 4:41:39 GMT -5
OK... stubborn... didn't think I'd be defending THIS one... I thought it was blindingly obvious, myself...
In DKC there is very little personality between any of the characters. During the story, DK basically makes Diddy stand guard so he can go sleep in his tree house. The best part is right at the end when him and Diddy are basically beating each other up. Sure, it's friendly, but neither of them back down.
In DKL, Donkey Kong and Cranky start by arguing about the game (both stubborn, you see?) and DK actually agrees to have his banana hoard stolen just to prove his point.
Then in DKC2-3 and DKL2-3 Donkey Kong barely appears, so we can discount them entirely.
In DK64, his animations suggest that he's a bit careless and doesn't like doing anything he doesn't want to do.
MvDK basically paints him as misunderstanding a TV commercial... He loves those Mini Mario toys and really does want to "Buy Them All!" And in MvDK2, he simply falls in love with Pauline and runs away with her.
I really don't see where the debate about him being stubborn comes in!
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Post by Koopaul on Nov 21, 2008 10:23:58 GMT -5
I usually associate stubborn with unreasonable or difficult.
Also DK makes Diddy stand watch because he is teaching Diddy to be a better video game hero I do believe.
That part at the end isn't stubbornness, rather just playful aggression. Me and my brother used to wrestle all the time.
And I don't remember DK agreeing to have his hoard stolen, rather Cranky set the whole thing up for him.
And if he did agree, wouldn't that make not him stubborn? Seeing how he agreed to something.
In DK64 DK willingly agrees to help K. Lumsey a Kremling he had never met before. That's being very agreeable don't you think?
His animations actualy suggest DK is confused about what he is supposed to do. Not stubborn, just stupid.
And I don't really associate his motives in MvsDK because they made him a bad guy on purpose. And like I said before, DK shouldn't be the antagonist of yesteryear. While I own and enjoy both Mario VS DK games, I feel a tad disgusted that DK was turned into such a jerk. I know he's brutish, stupid, and even aggressive... but he isn't a thief.
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