Grandy02
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Post by Grandy02 on Nov 19, 2008 6:17:30 GMT -5
I can't believe you don't realize that there is a defining style and design for characters in those series mentioned above. Mario has a very recognizable style with certain attributes in characters that the series shares. You wouldn't see something from Metroid in a Mario game now would you? I realize that there is a defining style in the mentioned series, what doesn't mean that everything has to be in that style. Most characters in the Kirby series have a rather cute and simple appearance. Does that mean that Nightmare, with his gray human face, long pointy fingers and overall creepy appearance doesn't belong there? No. As to JB, those aggressive-looking boss Kongs really don't fit the style of the other apes and monkeys. On the other hand, the animal buddies Hoofer, Orco and Flurl are in the spirit of DKC in terms of appearance. My humble opinion. I can live with all the mentioned characters. There won't be only characters I like. Anyway, I realize that the style of character design has somewhat changed in DK's world with Paon's games. It's overall cuter and less realistic, maybe to fit the Mario series better. Only look at Cranky and Zinger in DKC2/Jungle Climber and you know what I mean.     |
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Post by Arcadenik on Nov 19, 2008 9:16:07 GMT -5
Donkey Kong Country 3 continued the DKC series with:
1. Dixie Kong returns with a new sidekick.
2. Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong return but they are both kidnapped, instead of just Donkey Kong.
3. King K. Rool and the Kremlings return.
4. Cranky Kong, Wrinkly Kong, Funky Kong, and Swanky Kong return.
5. Okay, so Rambi didn't come back, but Enguarde, Squitter, and Squawks did.
6. Barrels, Barrel Cannons, Bonus Barrels, etc. return, plus the return of Steel Barrels (they weren't in DKC2).
7. Bananas, Banana Bunches, and DK Coins return.
8. Banana-themed characters fit the DKC theme. So DKC3 introduced Banana Birds, DK64 introduced Banana Fairies, Jungle Climber introduced Xananab.
9. Many new enemies introduced in DKC3 is explained. It took place in Northern Kremisphere, not DK Island nor Crocodile Isle. Jungle Beat seems to take place on DK Island, divided into 18 kingdoms.
The only connections between DKC series and Jungle Beat as far as I can tell are:
1. Donkey Kong, even though his personality is changed from peaceful to aggressive.
2. Bananas.
3. Animal Buddies, even though they are all new. No Rambi, no Enguarde, no Squawks, no Squitter, etc.
4. Kongs, even though they are all new. No Cranky Kong, no Diddy Kong, no Wrinkly Kong, etc.
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Post by kirbychu on Nov 19, 2008 9:41:38 GMT -5
Changed from peaceful to aggressive? Do people just always overlook the fact that DKC was about a big ape beating up various crocodiles because they stole his bananas? In a jungle full of banana trees? He could've easily just collected more, but instead he decided to go on a vengeful rampage.
Sure, later games made their motives more sinister, but I don't think DK has ever been portrayed as particularly peaceful. His motives are lead by stupidity and animal instinct.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Nov 19, 2008 9:51:19 GMT -5
And all of the points I made in my last post are ignored by Koopaul, and points made in previous posts are being repeated now, and so my most valid point is that everyone's happy arguing themselves into ever more ridiculous circles over nothing.
Jungle Beat wasn't a Donkey Kong Country sequel. If it was, it would have been called Donkey Kong Country: Drum Adventure or something.
But while we're playing this game of what's-based-on-what:
- Donkey Kong
- Jungle stages
- Bananas are the main collectable
- Vine-swinging
- Aerial action sections heavily based on timing (like Barrel Cannons)
- Enemies mostly based on jungle animals
- All stage names based on fruit (see Donkey Kong Jr.)
What? OK, they're not all obvious references, but how is this any different to saying Boss Dumb Drum is based on the blue skull barrels from DK Arcade, or that the Kremlings are based on Klap Traps?
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Grandy02
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Post by Grandy02 on Nov 19, 2008 10:27:41 GMT -5
I have the feeling that the discussion here repeats again, again and again. And it will probably repeat AGAIN. I think Underpants' ava fits best:  |
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Post by Manspeed on Nov 19, 2008 13:45:29 GMT -5
Changed from peaceful to aggressive? Do people just always overlook the fact that DKC was about a big ape beating up various crocodiles because they stole his bananas? In a jungle full of banana trees? He could've easily just collected more, but instead he decided to go on a vengeful rampage. Sure, later games made their motives more sinister, but I don't think DK has ever been portrayed as particularly peaceful. His motives are lead by stupidity and animal instinct. Sure, he was aggressive in DKC, but he had a clear reason for it. Not to mention they also kidnapped his best friend in addition to stealing said bananas. One could also argue that the Kremlings are pretty much the designated rivals of the Kongs, so DK would have to have a standing grudge against them in the same way Mario has one against Bowser. Otherwise DK acts perfectly peaceful. No reason for anything whatsoever was given in JB, which is probably what fuels that argument. This is the most douchey, pretentious shit I've read for some time. Congrats. I'm a pretentious douche for using words you apparently don't like? What the fuck, man?  |
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Post by Hiker of Games on Nov 19, 2008 14:13:02 GMT -5
Changed from peaceful to aggressive? Do people just always overlook the fact that DKC was about a big ape beating up various crocodiles because they stole his bananas? In a jungle full of banana trees? He could've easily just collected more, but instead he decided to go on a vengeful rampage. Sure, later games made their motives more sinister, but I don't think DK has ever been portrayed as particularly peaceful. His motives are lead by stupidity and animal instinct. Sure, he was aggressive in DKC, but he had a clear reason for it. Not to mention they also kidnapped his best friend in addition to stealing said bananas. ... kidnapped him in a barrel a hundred feet in front of his house. I have the feeling that the discussion here repeats again, again and again. And it will probably repeat AGAIN. I think Underpants' ava fits best: Somehow I think he's trying to steal the style of my avatar... |
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Post by Da Robot on Nov 19, 2008 15:33:16 GMT -5
You wouldn't see Mario enemies looking like Metroid enemies now would you.  I would buy a Mario game like that. That is brilliant and scary at the same time, if only Mario has the ice flower power up from SMG. Moving on . . . New details on Mario Tennis remake. - perform backhand and forehand shots - direct ball on corners of court - top spin and slice based on motion controls - Buttons for special moves - no Cube controller support Source. |
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Post by kirbychu on Nov 19, 2008 17:01:33 GMT -5
No reason for anything whatsoever was given in JB, which is probably what fuels that argument. A reason was given. DK wants to become king of the jungle. King of the swingers, as it were. The jungle VIP. He's reached the top and had to stop, and that's what's bothering me. Him. Whatever. I don't see where the idea that DK is heroic came from. He's as heroic as Wario is. Every heroic deed he's done has been done for selfish reasons. You could make a good case for Diddy or Dixie being heroic, but not DK. Not outside the terrible TV series. He's a big dumb ape with broken speech (even in DK64 which, shock and horror, was by Rare) and a one-track mind. |
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Post by Hiker of Games on Nov 19, 2008 17:13:34 GMT -5
I never thought of it that way, but that certainly does seem to be true. Wario's greed and selfishness is just more pronounced. However DK's moments of heroism are all reprisals from K. Rool stealing something from him. Whether it's his bananas or the medals for their silly competition. The closest DK has ever got to doing something generous was helping out Xananab.
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Nov 19, 2008 18:05:39 GMT -5
Somehow I think he's trying to steal the style of my avatar... I was secretly hoping for a 'going mental' avatar fad in the same vain as all of the name ones but it doesn't seem to have panned out. |
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Post by Arcadenik on Nov 19, 2008 18:17:42 GMT -5
DK was happy with his banana hoard and peace in Kongo Jungle. He lived a peaceful life on the island. In DKC when the Kremlings came and stole his banana hoard and kidnapped Diddy Kong, he got angry and went after them all. Maybe he didn't want any of the collectible bananas because they were probably in poorer quality compared to the banana hoard.
It happened again in DK64 when DK was happy with his banana hoard and peace in Kongo Jungle. When he discovered that the bananas were stolen again and that his Kong friends were kidnapped, he got mad and went after the Kremlings.
In Jungle Beat, he just woke up one day and decided he wanted to be the boss of everyone on the island and beated up the kings so he could usurp the Kong throne. That's what made him look more aggressive compared to what happened in DKC and DK64.
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Post by Manspeed on Nov 19, 2008 18:40:32 GMT -5
No reason for anything whatsoever was given in JB, which is probably what fuels that argument. A reason was given. DK wants to become king of the jungle. King of the swingers, as it were. The jungle VIP. He's reached the top and had to stop, and that's what's bothering me. Him. Whatever. I don't see where the idea that DK is heroic came from. He's as heroic as Wario is. Every heroic deed he's done has been done for selfish reasons. You could make a good case for Diddy or Dixie being heroic, but not DK. Not outside the terrible TV series. He's a big dumb ape with broken speech (even in DK64 which, shock and horror, was by Rare) and a one-track mind. So... if your most prized possesion was stolen, you wouldn't want to get it back from the villain who stole it from you? DK has to know K.Rool is a bad guy. There's no other way. He clearly hates the Kongs, because first his motive was to steal the bananas (and it says in the German manual translation that the Kremlings turn bananas into gold at the Kremkroc factory, fancy that), then he kidnaps DK himself for foiling his last scheme, then he kidnaps DK and Diddy for foiling the scheme before that, then he tries to blow up DK's homeland, then he tries to conquer the whole universe with a magical artifact. All of these instances DK and his friends are the ones that take up the responsibility of stopping him. Yet DK is the selfish one.  EDIT: The collectible bananas in DKC were dropped by the Kremlings after they carried them across the island. Says so in the manual and all promotional materials. |
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Post by Arcadenik on Nov 19, 2008 19:03:44 GMT -5
Ahh, thank you for the correction... though it doesn't quite explain the bananas in DKC2 and DKC3... seeing how the banana hoard were already recovered by DK. Maybe the banana hoard is much bigger than we thought? LOL |
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Post by kirbychu on Nov 19, 2008 19:10:48 GMT -5
Okay. So we can infer from this that, because the Black Jewel was a dangerous entity, and Wario fought to stop it, that Wario is an amazingly selfless and fantastic all-around guy. Wario should be President, in fact. Bowser fought Smithy, right? Hey, he's a hero, too! Totally selfless, because Smithy was bad! King Dedede helped defeat Nightmare, oh, he's selfless, too! Wonderful! This can apply to most villains in long-running series, in fact, but it doesn't make it true. Things aren't that black and white. It's called character, and DK is one of the relatively small number of Nintendo protragonists who has one. It's what makes him lovable. Embrace it. It happened again in DK64 when DK was happy with his banana hoard and peace in Kongo Jungle. When he discovered that the bananas were stolen again and that his Kong friends were kidnapped, he got mad and went after the Kremlings. Maybe it's just me, but he never seemed particularly bothered about saving the other Kongs in DK64 to me. It seemed like he just happened across them and let them out, they were never stated as his reason for fighting. Only his bananas were mentioned in that context. Surely if it were a selfless act, his friends would've been at the forefront?  |
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