NinDB updates!

[Fryguy64]

Guys! Guys! I updated NinDB and everything! Merry Christmas and all that!

[Leon]

I'm always happy to see NinDB updated, but I do have to ask. Why did you now decide to list every game Nintendo has ever published?

[Fryguy64]

Well I always used to have that info (plus game pages) back on the old site. I stopped when I had too many not-really-nintendo-games on the site that I didn't really care for. However, as time's gone on, that line has become more blurred, subject to my whims.

Essentially, I want the site to be a useful resource. I did a load of research into the PAL region as a separate project before realising it could help make NinDB more complete. Putting the full published lists back was key to this, however.

My whims will still dictate which games receive pages and end up on the series list, but at least now it's more of a useful resource for any and all first party info - even if it's not what I'm looking for at the time

[Evie ❤✿]

Great update!

I feel that listing every game published by Nintendo is also a good thing, as it is another feature; it makes the site more complete.

You don't have to create pages on them, at least at the moment (though I think the time for documenting all first and second party games won't come soon with new releases all of the time; Nintendo is a strong company), but if you did, I think logically you should do third party games that appeal to you or focus on completing entries on a console that has lived its days, such as the Game Boy.

Dec 25, 2014 3:34:26 GMT -5 Fryguy64 said:

Well I always used to have that info (plus game
My whims will still dictate which games receive pages and end up on the series list, but at least now it's more of a useful resource for any and all first party info - even if it's not what I'm looking for at the time

I like your approach, but I think you should try to separate the series by "Nintendo owned series" and "non-Nintendo owned series", otherwise people may come to a wrong conclusion and think that a series is owned (or partly owned) by Nintendo when it might not be, or have to do extra research.

One small request, can you fix an error please? On the Legendary Starfy 4 page you say that the Monamool Stone was stolen by an evil crab. However, the thief is a snake/eel like creature called Dejiiru (how you choose to write this is up to you). If you want to avoid spoilers, you can just say a mysterious thief.

I think that your error came from this line on the official mini-site's story section: "しかし、何ものかに「モナムールストーン」を盗まれ、国じゅうがめちゃくちゃになってしまった". Even though Kani means crab, I think it's supposed to be an expression "何ものか" followed by the particle に, but I don't understand it, maybe nocturnal YL could help you. Maybe it's based on the word 何もの ("something" or "nothing", as an object?).

Dejiiru is not exactly an eel, because she coils up in her own body mass and isn't always seen underwater. Some people say Dejeel, but internal filenames call her Digeel and Degil, perhaps Tose couldn't decide what to call her, or one of those names is from earlier development, but I'm just speculating.

[Boo Destroyer]

Dec 25, 2014 15:47:00 GMT -5 Evie ❤✿ said:

I like your approach, but I think you should try to separate the series by "Nintendo owned series" and "non-Nintendo owned series", otherwise people may come to a wrong conclusion and think that a series is owned (or partly owned) by Nintendo when it might not be, or have to do extra research.

Yeah, this is an issue that I've always seen in that page.

Nintendo always does make it clear about which one of their franchises are first-party, and second-party ones are the ones that are made and owned by other companies that merely assist them, thus "not really Nintendo".

[Leon]

I think if you do divide the lists you should only separate the games that Nintendo published on behalf of other companies, like Rayman in Japan and Professor Layton in North America and Europe. If you try dividing it beyond that, you're going to go down a really nasty rabbit hole.

[nocturnal YL]

...Japanese Hyrule Warriors isn't published by Nintendo.

The Japanese Wii U VC list still copies the dates from theofficial website, and thus neglecting the early 30-yen-per-game campaign for the Famicom's 30th anniversary. I think you should either include or exclude that campaign instead of just giving Kirby's Adventure an odd release date.

Dec 25, 2014 15:47:00 GMT -5 Evie ❤✿ said:

One small request, can you fix an error please? On the Legendary Starfy 4 page you say that the Monamool Stone was stolen by an evil crab. However, the thief is a snake/eel like creature called Dejiiru (how you choose to write this is up to you). If you want to avoid spoilers, you can just say a mysterious thief.

I think that your error came from this line on the official mini-site's story section: "しかし、何ものかに「モナムールストーン」を盗まれ、国じゅうがめちゃくちゃになってしまった". Even though Kani means crab, I think it's supposed to be an expression "何ものか" followed by the particle に, but I don't understand it, maybe nocturnal YL could help you. Maybe it's based on the word 何もの ("something" or "nothing", as an object?).

Dejiiru is not exactly an eel, because she coils up in her own body mass and isn't always seen underwater. Some people say Dejeel, but internal filenames call her Digeel and Degil, perhaps Tose couldn't decide what to call her, or one of those names is from earlier development, but I'm just speculating.

Your take on the line is correct. It's 何ものか ("something") followed by the article に. The crab thing made me chuckle a bit.

[Evie ❤✿]

OK, thank you YL!

[Manspeed]

I kinda miss having all three regions combined into one page with the different buttons that let me change the order.

[Fryguy64]

Jeez! How many of you hang out on the Legendary Stafy 4 page!?

Back when I started NinDB, there were loads of games that Nintendo published that weren't really Nintendo. Games like Final Fantasy were fairly obvious, but then there were games like Snake Rattle N' Roll. Well, Rare made another version for Mega Drive, so that's probably not really a Nintendo game. But what about Anticipation? Is that a Nintendo game? Or a Rare game published by Nintendo? Does Nintendo still own the localization text for the NES version of Dragon Warrior? Or did that return to Enix?

The problem is that identifying whether a game or series is Nintendo-owned is pretty much based entirely on external factors to the game. And even then, there are question marks. Look at Vegas Stakes on SNES. I haven't given it a game page because Nintendo didn't publish it in Japan. And yet Nintendo has published it on Virtual Console - so does that mean it should be on NinDB?

SSB4 has Rayman and Culdcept trophies - both games published by Nintendo in Japan, but neither are series owned by Nintendo. And don't get me started on CommanderVideo!

But Nintendo can own the rights to a game, if not a series. They can also own a series, if not a game (e.g. they licensed out the Cooking Navi system to third parties, for example - and then there's the Mario educational games).

Essentially, there are no clear dividing lines, and no matter where you draw the line, there will always be exceptions.

However, I'm not done reorganising just yet. There will be more search options, etc. But the next step's a bit bigger than the last one.

[Evie ❤✿]

Not sure if you're joking with this being online, but just in case, sorry if I sounded rude. The "crab" error was bugging me, that's all, but an an error is an error, so I think that errors should be fixed regardless of how many people visit a certain page.

But you're probably really busy these days so can't fix every error that gets discovered. Take your time.

I'll be looking forward to your future updates!

[Fryguy64]

I was joking, I just find it funny how so many of you are so aware of the contents of a page I wouldn't normally give a second thought.

[Evie ❤✿]

Jan 4, 2015 12:49:48 GMT -5 Fryguy64 said:

I was joking, I just find it funny how so many of you are so aware of the contents of a page I wouldn't normally give a second thought.

Oh, lol.

[Leon]

Jan 4, 2015 10:10:09 GMT -5 Fryguy64 said:

Back when I started NinDB, there were loads of games that Nintendo published that weren't really Nintendo. Games like Final Fantasy were fairly obvious, but then there were games like Snake Rattle N' Roll. Well, Rare made another version for Mega Drive, so that's probably not really a Nintendo game. But what about Anticipation? Is that a Nintendo game? Or a Rare game published by Nintendo? Does Nintendo still own the localization text for the NES version of Dragon Warrior? Or did that return to Enix?

The problem is that identifying whether a game or series is Nintendo-owned is pretty much based entirely on external factors to the game. And even then, there are question marks. Look at Vegas Stakes on SNES. I haven't given it a game page because Nintendo didn't publish it in Japan. And yet Nintendo has published it on Virtual Console - so does that mean it should be on NinDB?

SSB4 has Rayman and Culdcept trophies - both games published by Nintendo in Japan, but neither are series owned by Nintendo. And don't get me started on CommanderVideo!

But Nintendo can own the rights to a game, if not a series. They can also own a series, if not a game (e.g. they licensed out the Cooking Navi system to third parties, for example - and then there's the Mario educational games).

Essentially, there are no clear dividing lines, and no matter where you draw the line, there will always be exceptions.

However, I'm not done reorganising just yet. There will be more search options, etc. But the next step's a bit bigger than the last one.

I think the best indicator is if Nintendo financed the creation of a game. As you said, Culcept is NOT a Nintendo IP, but the 3DS game was financed by Nintendo, and Nintendo staff worked on that title. Rayman on the other hand is just a game Nintendo published for Ubisoft, with no actual involvement in the creation of it.

[Evie ❤✿]

I have another Starfy error I'd like you to fix. Sorry to be a pain.

You romanize the Japanese title of ''The Legendary Starfy'' (伝説のスタフィー たいけつ!ダイール海賊団) as:

Densetsu no Stafy: Taiketsu! Dire Kaizokudan

But Dire is probably incorrect and looks dubious to me even though 'dire' can describe something that causes fear. The authors of Nintendo Power used it in an interview but they probably replicated the mistake.

First, ダイール is the Japanese name of Mashtooth, the main villain. It has an elongated イ (i), which makes it more clear that it is a name, not a katakana reading of an English word. On the Canadian Copyrights Database, ダイール is romanized as "Daiiru", not "Dire". So I'd like to suggest changing it to Daiiru, but I haven't seen a source for an official romanization of ダイール other than from the copyrights database.

Furthermore, I don't know if ダイル is generally used for dire. A more accurate katakana reading would be ダイア (daia). ダイル is probably based on (croco)dile.

Apparently somebody on Dat-o-Matic actually asked a question about the name of the game to Nintendo and they replied:

ゲームの名称は色々な理由から総合的につけられていますが、
今回の「ダイール」は、ゲーム内に登場するキャラクター
「ダイール」の顔がワニ（クロコダイル）に似ていることを
大きな理由として名づけられました。

So I think they mean since Daiiru's (Mashtooth's) face is like a crocodile (クロコダイル), it influenced the name. Dat-o-Matic changed the name to "Dile", but that is still incorrect over Daiiru unless we have an official source.