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Post by Nester the Lark on Sept 10, 2008 17:18:57 GMT -5
-- NinDB Top 25, 2008 --
-- The NinDB Top 25, 2008 --
Title (system) Score | Votes | Last Year
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1. Yoshi's Island (SNES, GBA) 249 12 3^
2. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii) 219 12 new
3. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) 200 10 new
4. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of
Time (Multiple) 185 11 4
5. Super Mario 64 (N64, Wii) 143 8 2v
6. Super Mario World (Multiple) 137 9 5v
7. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong
Quest (Multiple) 135 8 16^
8. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's
Mask (N64, GC) 132 6 6v
9. Kirby Super Star (SNES) 128 6 new
10. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight
Princess (Wii, GC) 105 6 8v
11. Super Mario Bros. 3 (Multiple) 84 5 7v
12. Super Metroid (SNES, Wii) 81 6 13^
13. Animal Crossing (GC) 81 5 new
14. Banjo-Kazooie (N64) 74 4 new
15. Tetris (Multiple) 70 4 new
16. Star Fox 64 (N64, Wii) 67 5 19^
17. TIE
Resident Evil 4 (GC, Wii) 63 3 10v
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven
Stars (SNES, Wii) 63 3 17
18. Super Mario All-Stars (SNES) 60 3 new
19. Pokemon Gold/Silver (GBC) 57 4 24^
20. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (GC) 53 4 15v
21. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (GC) 52 3 new
22. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga (GBA) 51 5 new
23. Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's
Double Trouble (Multiple) 50 5 new
24. Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards 50 3 new
25. Super Mario Sunshine (GC) 49 3 14v
-- Honorable Mentions (alphabetical order) --
Banjo-Tooie
Elite Beat Agents
Donkey Kong Country
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (previously #10)
Metroid Prime (previously #12)
-- Gone From This Year's List (previous position) --
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem (25)
Mario Kart 64 (20)
Metroid: Zero Mission (21)
Pokemon Red/Blue (23)
Skies of Arcadia Legends (18)
Super Mario Kart (22)
Super Smash Bros. (11)
Super Smash Bros. Melee (1)
-- Favorite Series (by score) --
Title Games | Total Score
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1. Super Mario 11 1029
2. The Legend of Zelda 9 568
3. Super Smash Bros. 3 265
-- Favorite Systems --
1. GameCube
2. NES/Famicom
3. SNES/Super Famicom
-- Most Points, Least Votes --
Plok (1 vote, 25 points)
-- Most Votes, Least Points (under 25) --
WarioWare: Twisted! (3 votes, 17 points)
-- The One-point Club --
Devil's Crush
Mario Party 3
Mario Superstar Baseball
Rayman Raving Rabbids
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
-- Poll Stats --
Votes: 17
Games: 157
Last year's results can be viewed here. |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Sept 10, 2008 18:47:21 GMT -5
Sexy. Good work Nester. Very Mario heavy top ten, but that's pretty much like what I voted for anyway (really should have diversified my gaming portfolio when I was younger).
Noticed lots of the big single player games (Metroid, RE4, etc, etc) have fallen fairly significantly - this is the problem I had with making my list too, as with the single player games, unless I've played them sooooo many times that there's that thick layer of nostalgia (like Yoshi's Island, DKC2 - which bumped up a fair bit on the overall list AND on my list -, Super Metroid, etc) they tend to be forgotten by me. If I had played them recently, I suspect both Metroid Prime and RE4 would be much higher on my list - more likely, though, is that I'll instead see Mario Galaxy (the big single player game for me this year) tumble and the high spots be occupied by new single player epics.
Once again, good work Nester.
EDIT: Gold and Silver is up 5, from 24, not up 24 as listed. I was actually about to ask why it was that GS got such a collosal bump until I realised that.
EDIT 2: Reading comprehension for the lose. I get it now. Its too early for me.
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Post by TV Eye on Sept 10, 2008 21:20:22 GMT -5
Muy bueno, senor.
I don't understand why Mario Galaxy beat Mario 64, but I guess I should've voted for more than 10 games...
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Post by Dasher Misire on Sept 10, 2008 22:25:33 GMT -5
I like Galaxy more than 64, honestly. I've never felt like a Mario game made me recall why I love the series since Paper Mario, and this one did it in a manner like Miyamoto.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Sept 11, 2008 6:32:25 GMT -5
Thank you for all this hard work, Nester. Of course, I have once again pulled the puppet strings to bring my favourite game ever to the very top of the list, eclipsing even the unbeatable Brawl. ;D Very nice lineup of stats as well. Very interesting to see what's fallen and what's dropped off the list entirely. I'll be honest - there's no major surprises there. Single-player games don't have the replay value to keep them at the top of a list like this, but if they have lasting appeal we may well see them come back in the next console generation.  |
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Sept 11, 2008 10:33:34 GMT -5
Nice work, Nester. I really like the little stats at the bottom. Also I actually expected Mario Galaxy to finish on top...
I guess the mixed feelings about Brawl, with Melee higher on some people's lists, got Yoshi's Island a top spot.
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Sept 11, 2008 12:10:03 GMT -5
There's 26 on this list. Should you skip 18 since there are two on 17? Or only go to 24?
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Post by Nester the Lark on Sept 11, 2008 17:50:29 GMT -5
I found it interesting that in last year's list, even tho Smash Bros. Melee was #1, the original Smash Bros. still made the list. But this year, in the face of Brawl, both of the previous games dropped off entirely. As for single player games not having replay value, I actually think that, ironically, it's because they're too long. When they're shorter, like they were in the 8/16-bit eras, they have a strong pick-up-and-play value because there isn't a big commitment involved. But now, when we spend 10+ hours finishing a game just once, I think we're less likely to want to do it all again. Case in point, I downloaded Bonk's Revenge on the VC last week, and I've beaten it multiple times since then because it's very quick and easy to get into it. I can't say the same thing for Zelda: Twilight Princess. There's 26 on this list. Should you skip 18 since there are two on 17? Or only go to 24? The same thing happened last year, but as I explained then, I don't really think it's a tie if it takes up two places on the list. What seems important to me is that there are 25 slots that just happen to contain 26 games because two games tied for the same slot. Think of it this way: If there's a tie in the Olympics (in the events that allow it), they may award two silver medals, but that doesn't mean they skip awarding a bronze. It really wouldn't be fair for the athlete that actually came in third. Anyway, it's just my personal way of dealing with it. |
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Post by nocturnal YL on Sept 12, 2008 11:02:39 GMT -5
With Fryster's heavy promotion of YI, undubtedly it'll get a high place. Being first is a bit of "out of expectation" though. In recent days I paid attention to the Yoshi series again - and I found that I played them a lot in the past without noticing. It's a good series - even the blamed Artoon ones.
hmm... how do you count (eh, I mistyped that word into some cussing word - just found that out quick enough - I should seriously change my keyboard that I've mentioned over 100 times) 11 Mario games?
SMB, SMB2J, SMB3, SMW, SM64, SMS, NSMB, SMG - plus SMUSA, SMBDX and SMAS? But wouldn't SMAS+SMW be counted in that fashion?
My way of categorizing would be "Super Mario BROS" series - counted only when Mario and Luigi are the only options: SMB, SMB2J, SMB3, SMW, SMBDX, NSMB and SMG only - 6 main plus 1 remake.
On the "64 vs Galaxy" thing: I prefer Galaxy. 64 is a breakthrough - and Galaxy feels like another breakthrough. What's different, is that SMG is an actual successor of the SMB series. 64 lacks many things that should be present in a Mario game. It doesn't have a single Blooper, not even one coin block, and worst of all, no Luigi - by the time he made it in 64 DS, it made the entire game far less challenging because Luigi can do simple jumps into the once-almost-inaccessable places. Luigi in Galaxy? It actually made his part more difficult!
I'm quite happy that Kirby 64 was in. It deserves a mention. I'm normaly a supporter for Sakurai Kirby, but 64 is simply way too awesome.
And a question to Nester: How to define "one game"? YI for GBA count as YI, while SM64DS doesn't count as SM64. Strange. SMA4 is not exactly YI, you see - the secret levels aren't in the SFC version! For me, exact ports count while enhanced (or degraded for the GBA ports) remakes count as separate.
What else.... well, congrats for Biohazard 4 to rank in. And there's no way ever for Sunshine to rank in!
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Post by Nester the Lark on Sept 12, 2008 17:37:02 GMT -5
hmm... how do you count 11 Mario games? SMB, SMB2J, SMB3, SMW, SM64, SMS, NSMB, SMG - plus SMUSA, SMBDX and SMAS? But wouldn't SMAS+SMW be counted in that fashion? My way of categorizing would be "Super Mario BROS" series - counted only when Mario and Luigi are the only options: SMB, SMB2J, SMB3, SMW, SMBDX, NSMB and SMG only - 6 main plus 1 remake. The 11 games came from the total number of games that were voted for in that series. For Super Mario, it included: Super Mario 64, Super Mario All-Stars, Super Mario All-Stars / Super Mario World, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. / Duck Hunt, Super Mario Bros. 2, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins, Super Mario Sunshine, and Super Mario World. I didn't have a system for it. I just used my own judgment as to whether an "enhanced port" deserved special mention. True, the GBA version of Yoshi's Island is not exactly the same as the SNES version, but I think one could be satisfactorily substituted for the other. Such does not seem to be the case for Super Mario 64 DS (at least, judging by what I hear around here). But as I mentioned in the voting thread, if anyone wanted to make a case for why a particular version of a game deserved individual treatment (or not), I'm open to hear it. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Sept 14, 2008 3:14:04 GMT -5
Super Mario 64 DS did some things right and some things wrong. Graphics and sound were better - controls were worse. The new stages and minigames were cool though. I wouldn't slam it as harshly as some people have. I just didn't like the way it was impossible to do the Boo's House switch race with the stylus, but easy with the D-Pad.  |
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Post by TV Eye on Sept 19, 2008 21:09:52 GMT -5
So, by the results, I decided to buy RE4 Wii edition. I just started it now...
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Post by Hiker of Games on Sept 20, 2008 9:43:29 GMT -5
Once again I procrastinated too much and never put in my list! *explodes*
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Post by Smashchu on Sept 21, 2008 23:20:34 GMT -5
EDIT 2: Reading comprehension for the lose. I get it now. Its too early for me. Ehhh, happens to all of us. So I must ask, how do the scores work. Also, YI (regardless of Fry) deserves it. Defiantly a fun game. |
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Post by Nester the Lark on Sept 21, 2008 23:31:54 GMT -5
The scoring is pretty straightforward. The top spot on someone's list is worth 25 points, the second is worth 24, the third 23, and so on. I couldn't come up with anything better.
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