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Post by nocturnal YL on Aug 7, 2005 15:52:15 GMT -5
The question is:
How many Link's are there?
I think the the two NES Zelda games share the same Link, so does Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time, and the same should happen to Wind Waker + Four Swords + Mnish Cap.
The 2nd question is:
Why are places in Hyrule, like Lakt Hylia, Lon Lon ranch and Hyrule Town, keep changing their "positions"? Do towns and facilities move?
Now the 3rd question:
How can people bear the same names as people centuries before? I mean, How can Zelda still be called Zelda if it's not the same person and there are multiple people calling the same names? The most strange thing is, thing happen multiple times! They are confusing!
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Post by almort27 on Aug 7, 2005 16:35:39 GMT -5
Now the 3rd question: How can people bear the same names as people centuries before? I mean, How can Zelda still be called Zelda if it's not the same person and there are multiple people calling the same names? The most strange thing is, thing happen multiple times! They are confusing! The Zelda 2 manuall said that after the prince accidently put zelda to sleep, he ordered all the princesses of Hyrule to be named Zelda. |
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Post by Flip on Aug 7, 2005 17:05:10 GMT -5
To answer your questions with one, somewhat terse, fell swoop: the Zelda series spans multiple generations of Links and Zeldas, with Hyrule constantly changing. Ganondorf and the Triforce are the only figures in the series that remain consistent throughout.
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Aug 7, 2005 18:33:47 GMT -5
The question is: How many Link's are there? The 2nd question is: Why are places in Hyrule, like Lakt Hylia, Lon Lon ranch and Hyrule Town, keep changing their "positions"? Do towns and facilities move? Now the 3rd question: How can people bear the same names as people centuries before? First: Well, that depends. There's around 6-8 Links, 6-9 Zeldas, and 1-3 Ganondorfs. Second: This isn't really that important. It's mostly changed so it can fit the game. Third: You could believe the Sleeping Zelda Legend happens at the beginning of the timeline. And most of the game allow you to name Link whatever you want. And a lot of people believe Ganon is always the same. And there's really no explanation for the other characters. But it could just be a coincidence or destiny. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 8, 2005 2:45:50 GMT -5
Right... dangerous thread this one. Many arguments spring up around Zelda's storyline. I was wondering how long we could go without it being a main topic  But here goes. The Link from Zelda 1+2 are the same, the Link from Zelda LttP+LA are the same, the Link from OoT+MM are the same, and the Link in the two Oracles is the same. It's possible that the Link from Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures are the same too (but I haven't played the GBA one). That leaves TWW, TMC, and TP with their own Links. There is a further Link in the intro story to TMC. That's 9 Links! But TWW and TMC definitely aren't the same Link. Their lives do not cross - only their designs. Zelda 1, Zelda 2, LttP, OoT, TWW, TMC and TP all seem to have a Zelda each. That's only 7 to Link's 9... but she doesn't appear in as many of the games (ironic, really). As for Ganon/dorf... I'm a firm believer there is only supposed to be the one. Custom fan timelines that require there to be more than one Ganon are what I call "lazy crap". As for places moving... we just have to accept that as a consequence of making a good game, while also keeping familiar locations. We shouldn't let this one affect what we think about the storyline, like many people do. It's hard enough piecing the storyline together from links the developers intentionally put in... let alone including ones they only put in to make the GAME flow smoothly (as, after all... they are games first and geeky fan obsessions second). As for other recurring characters... that's a little Zelda quirk that seems to have cropped up lately... where one character becomes so liked by the developers that they drop them in all over the place. Is there one Ingo or many? What name does he use? How many Tingles exist? I call this one the "Ocarina of Time" theory... and it goes like this: the original Link messed around with the Ocarina of Time so much that time and space seemed to collapse around Hyrule, hence all this wacky stuff we can't explain  |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Aug 8, 2005 5:01:50 GMT -5
There is a further Link in the intro story to TMC. That's 9 Links! I always thought that Link was a reference to one of the other Links, though i haven't played enough Zelda games to have ever been sure of it. But that brings up another point - how many Zelda games make references to another Zelda game? I know TWW makes a few references to OoT - any others? As I've said, I've only played a couple (specifically Zelda 1, TWW, TMC and about half of OoT) so if there are references in the others, obviously I have no idea. But TWW seems to be the only one of mine with a reference. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 8, 2005 12:48:55 GMT -5
Well... Zelda II refers to Zelda 1 ("The Return of Ganon" Mwahaha)... LttP had references to the imprisoning war as played out in OoT. MM was linked directly to OoT. TWW then linked to OoT as well. All of the Four Swords games seem to be linked, and TMC is the backstory to them. The Link in the opening to TMC doesn't seem to fit any other Link adventure... but maybe we shall find out some day |
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Post by legendofnintendo on Aug 8, 2005 12:53:09 GMT -5
Could it be the Link in Four Swords was the Link who was referenced in FS:A? If a whole continent/country can sink to the bottom of the ocean than what makes you think a lake or mountain can't move? I noticed Ganon could look like the beast but be called Ganondorf and vice-versa, why is that? There you go Zelda geniuses, 3 new questions . |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 8, 2005 12:58:24 GMT -5
1 Err... dunno what you mean about the Link in Four Swords and FS:A... what reference? If you meant Minish Cap, then no... because Minish Cap is the story of how Vaati came to exist - but he already exists in FS and FS:A. 2 Again... I've already explained why I think things move around. Besides... it'd be easier to sink a world under an endless ocean than it would be to move a mountain to the other side of a castle without damaging anything else. 3 I don't remember Ganon's pig form ever being referred to as Ganondorf in any of the games. Besides... it's not like there'd be a conflict if it was... they're the same being, just with a slightly different name for each form.
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Aug 8, 2005 13:06:08 GMT -5
But that brings up another point - how many Zelda games make references to another Zelda game? OoT- It tells the story of the Imprisoning War from the LttP backstory. WW- It's a sequal to OoT. OoA/S- Ganon is dead and the Triforce is whole. It could happen after LoZ/Aol or LttP/LA. FSA- Most people belive it has the same Link as FS, but some don't. TMC- Tells where Vaati came from, but isn't the story told in the backstory for FS. And then there's direct sequals, LoZ/Aol, LttP/LA, OoT/MM, and OoA/S. There's also the G&W game and Zelda BS. Although most don't include them in the time line. I don't think it's just "lazy crap". There's good reasons to believe in more than one Ganon. The fact that he dies more then once, and there's FSA. |
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Post by Flip on Aug 8, 2005 13:16:30 GMT -5
In terms of Ganondorf, there is a bit of interesting info here: Firstly, this is SPOILERS for anyone who has not played through all of FS: A. You've been warned. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
The final boss is not Vaati, but Ganon, who was apparently controlling Shadow Link through the "Dark Mirror" so that he could release Vaati and make a cover for Ganon to steal the Seven Maidens. In the desert area of the game, you go to a palace that apparently held a massive trident, Ganon's, and anyone who seized it would acquire his power. The Gerudos and the race original to FS: A (which everyone seems to have forgotten) the Zebu (did I get that right?) tell Link that, basically, there was a man Ganondorf who blah blah and wanted power and went looking for the trident to get it. When you do fight Ganon finally, he makes some comment that the power was his now, and he intended to use it. This suggests that, possibly, this is a different Ganon. You can go both ways with this one. The tower you fight him in is adorned with Ganon statues, suggesting a prior existence, and it is possible that Ganondorf, somehow, returned after being defeated and came back for his trident to become Ganon once more. However, you could go the other route by saying that Ganon, the pig, is some sort of anomaly that will possess whoever seizes the Triforce of Power and transform them, meaning there can be more multiple Ganondorfs. Phew.---------------------------------------------------------------- Hope that didn't ruin much |
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Post by almort27 on Aug 8, 2005 13:27:26 GMT -5
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Post by flintofmother3 on Aug 8, 2005 13:37:03 GMT -5
There are 3 Link´s, the one that is the playable character, another that is Darurnia son, and a third one in Terminia, he comes to Anju in during the second day (I think, he is also a Goron), you all should know that Link is quite a common name in hyrule(specially among Gorons), Links in Hyrule are the Johns of our world.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Aug 8, 2005 14:22:37 GMT -5
Did Darurnia name his son after Link because he thinks Link if the hero?
My question it to the whole Zelda "universe", not a specific game.
However, what I think is that Links can be divided according to style, excpt for seperating Minich Cap to another Link. That makes 5 Links
I think FSA has the same Link as WW, and the reason is the appeareance of Tetra (remember the Japan-only Navi Trackers?).
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Post by almort27 on Aug 8, 2005 14:44:03 GMT -5
I used to think of it as the one from the first two games are named link and the others are named after what you name them. As for the goron, only one goron was named Link. The one in Majora's Mask is the same from OOT.
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