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Post by Boo Destroyer on Mar 29, 2005 15:31:31 GMT -5
1. Bring back the old game series.
Nintendo sure has a lot of them at their disposal, so why don't they make more games for them and update them and such?
And I don't mean duplicates or carbon copies or ports of the originals. I mean whole new sequels.
2. Sell the classic consoles again.
...And possibly make more games for them.
Since most of the recent games are making references and cameos to these older games, it's about time more people see what they were like.
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Post by The Almighty Narf on Mar 29, 2005 23:54:27 GMT -5
I completely dissagree. Latley I've been a proponent of not only Nintendo not bringing back old franchises, but they should also drop alot of the old franchises that they've still got going.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Mar 30, 2005 3:20:08 GMT -5
I'm somewhere between the two views. On the one hand I think Nintendo should keep milking their famous franchises for ideas and bring older franchises out of retirement where they would attract different demographics (Kid Icarus, Nazo no Murasamejou, etc.) while also developing new franchises from which to develop more ideas in the future.
On the other I feel saturated with Mario, the idea of a Metroid Pinball game scares me, and so on. It would not be hard to come up with new characters for some of these Mario, Kirby and Pokemon spinoffs.
The only exeption is WarioWare... I love it, but if Nintendo had not used Wario as its unlikely figurehead then the series would never have taken off. I read an interview where the developers of WarioWare said they had the game, but the only way to sell it was "yes, we know it's stupid, but it's Wario, and that's what he's like"... milking old characters for new ideas. Genius.
On the second point I disagree... though a ROM-like download system would be great... and unlikely.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Mar 30, 2005 10:22:50 GMT -5
I quite agree with the point of bring back old game series, but it seems unlikely to be so.
I can see only a few titles are being brought back, and one of these is Mario vs Donkey Kong (Or does it count?).
And I disagree with the second point. The rarity of the old systems have made them become collector's items. Once you remake them, the original ones will lose their values.
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Post by Andronicus on Apr 3, 2005 3:41:51 GMT -5
That's an interesting one, that is...
Seriously though - in terms of spin-offs that revive old characters within a certain franchise's confines (such as the Mario-verse)... it doesn't sit well with me...
Persoanlly, I don't like spin-offs.
I call myself a Super Mario Bros. franchise collector, but that means my focus is on Super Mario Bros. PLATFORMERS - the core games - I am usually blind to spin-offs (although I make allowances for RPGs, Luigi, and the Mario vs. DK feud - even Mario Kart gets the odd look).
In this sense, using Mario-verse characters to sell a new sub-franchise actually turns me off. I much prefer to see something totally new when I go for something different - such as with Pikmin.
That said, certain other old and un-used franchises from the past could stand to be resurrected, maybe... I refer to Earthbound mainly.
I'll end with this though, I think the Mario vs. DK feud is awesome - it's where it all started, and I love the old arcade games. While Mario vs. DK for the GBA wasn't the best game ever, it was fun and puzzling. I think this sub-series should be continued. Imagine a DS installment, where you continuously move in an upwards direction as Mario - you go up and up and up (seeing what is happening on the top screen and planning ahead by drawing on the bottom screen where Mario is), to get to DK. It would be AWESOME, but only in 2D (not that 3D rendered look of the GBA one - I no like).
I just thought this was kind of loosly relevant to the discussion... cos it is.
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Post by Doubutsu80 on Apr 3, 2005 9:46:22 GMT -5
Nintendo should get all their released franchises and combine them onto one disk.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Apr 3, 2005 10:34:37 GMT -5
Nintendo should get all their released franchises and combine them onto one disk. Super Smash Bros Melee is close to, but does not meet, this point. They can sell a "database" game to promote themselves. But there can be some copyright issues. For example, Excitebite 64 is made by Left Field, which Nintendo has ened its relationship with that company. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 3, 2005 11:32:55 GMT -5
There are NOT copyright issues over Excitebike 64. Left Field may have made the game and released it with new characters and all that jazz, but it remains a Nintendo property.
When two companies part like that they have to separate their shared franchises as per an agreement. Observe Rareware, who were allowed to take all of their properties except for ANYTHING that appeared in a Donkey Kong Country game or StarFox Adventures. Nintendo can now use any of those characters in any way they like... while Rare took back Banjo-Kazooie, which was a proper shared ownership license when it was released.
Don't assume just because another company makes a game that Nintendo doesn't have some kind of a stake in it. Game Freak may develop the Pokemon series, but Nintendo owns as much a right in the characters as Game Freak does. Same goes for Kirby.
But when a company uses a Nintendo franchise to sell a game (eg. Excitebike 64) they are therefore relinquishing their rights to ownership in the game license. They may still own the game code, but not the license.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Apr 4, 2005 11:58:02 GMT -5
Thanks for all the explaination. But then, do the 2-nd party developers, say, HAL Labs who shares Kirby series with Nintendo since the very first game, have the rights to use the shared franchises?
Anyway, if such issue does not exist, making such a database game can ba a good idea.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 4, 2005 13:28:15 GMT -5
HAL probably could turn up at Nintendo with a game idea, demo, or whatever based on any Nintendo franchise and say "What do you think?", but Nintendo will always get the last word, and if they don't like an idea then they may say no.
But then certain people at Nintendo didn't like the idea of Smash Bros... well... until they saw the customer response during test sessions.
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Post by mrmolecule on Apr 4, 2005 16:39:50 GMT -5
It'd be pretty weird if like, for Nintendo to have all the old HAL licenses...that they ever made...
(frantically looks around for a NES cartridge)
Ah! Hey look! Here's Day Dreamin' Davey! Nintendo owns this (very lame) license now! Think they should make A GCN game now?
Seriously, I think selling old consoles and making new games for them would ruin the point. Sure, people could download a homemade (S)NES game off the Internet, but would people pay to have inferior games on a system that was initially released 20 years? Of course not! Not tomention draining the value! No way! Now ADAPTORS on the other hand...that's a different matter.
I also think they should resell Nintendo Power and old guides/gear. Nintendo should also make REAL catalogs (Super Power Supplies used to be NP) or stuff in Stars Catalogue or start selling in stores to customers (in Japan, they have Nintendo Entertainment Shops!)
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 5, 2005 3:13:46 GMT -5
Nintendo doesn't have access to all franchises of a close developer. If Nintendo wanted to make a game 100% owned by HAL then they'd have to ask HAL, just like they have to ask Nintendo for a 100% Nintendo-owned license.
Which is probably what happened with Metal Slader Glory: Director's Cut.
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Post by Doubutsu80 on Apr 5, 2005 14:55:53 GMT -5
Wasn't Metal Slader published by Nintendo?  |
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Post by mrmolecule on Apr 5, 2005 17:28:05 GMT -5
HAL probably could turn up at Nintendo with a game idea, demo, or whatever based on any Nintendo franchise and say "What do you think?", but Nintendo will always get the last word, and if they don't like an idea then they may say no. But then certain people at Nintendo didn't like the idea of Smash Bros... well... until they saw the customer response during test sessions. I said, potentially. I believe old HAL titles should be 3rd party.... |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 6, 2005 3:57:52 GMT -5
Yes it was published by Nintendo, but it wasn't developed by Nintendo or HAL... Nintendo had to get HAL's permission to publish it.
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