Sega: Fallen From Grace

[wanderingshadow]

mrmolecule said:

I think Sega overplayed Sonic way too much. Companies make games featuring mascots. Besides all the animal platformers of the 90s, Sega had Sonic and Alex Kidd and a few others in the 90s, but not much beyond that. Nintendo had Samus, Mario, and Link, with much more. Sega made bad long-term choices when they chose celebrities over long-term mascots. Samus Aran never molested children later in her life.

EDIT: Back to Mr. Whiskers!!

Interesting thought. Until SEGA came over to the Gamecube, I knew that SEGA made Sonic and that was about it. Now I know about NiGHTS, Crazy Taxi, Jet Set Radio, Skies of Arcadia, Phantasy Star, Streets of Rage, ect.

[Fryguy64]

Shame on you for not even knowing Alex Kidd

When the Sega/Nintendo Wars were at their hottest, that game was the only Sega game I would admit to playing. Luckily, everyone understood ;D

[Smashchu]

sgtmajorkururu said:

About the ethics and honor thing, the two aren't necessarily like salt and pepper. Ethics is more Western, honor is Eastern; what seems like a big slice of Ludicrous Pie to you makes perfect sense in the world of Japanese business.

The SegaSammy merger did happen--as Fry told you, Sammy's a Japanese business and not the international giant Sega is/was, so it wasn't that widely recognized, except on some game websites. I remember hearing about it back when it happened on The Sonic Foundation.

I think what Sammy's trying to do is exactly what you said--run Sega into the ground, to break them. Eventually if Sega screws up enough, they'll probably go bankrupt, and Sammy will pump life back into them on the condition that they do exclusively what is asked demanded of them. Of course, it's still Sega's own fault for pushing crap like Sonic Adventure 2 and Shadow the Hedgehog out the doors...

lol, Count Bleck is awesome sauce!

I knbow there is a culture gap I'm missing, but I don't think honor should be a crutch. It's Operant Conditioning. If someone does something too you(which may or may not hurt you), but it's perfectly OK to become the school ground bully, forget everything that is way more importaint and wizzel them up as bad as possible. This, which would seem bad to most people, is excepted, and even expected in their culture. They are reinforced to do this. In America, if someone pulls out of a murge, you smack talk and get on with your life. The worst case senario is that competion is more heated. Also, in America, if you work for a better, heathier market, you are rewarded, and in the opposite, this behavior(overtaking a company) is schoned apon in the public's eye, and quite possible the buisness world. So, when it comes to reinfocement, I think we did the better job(figures, as the most Japan has done for psychology is Brain Age).

But, as you said, if they are trying to crush Sega then they will drag themselves to hell along side Sega. Funny though, that this fate is what they wanted. Risking profits for being an ***. This is easily regression. Crying like a little baby, hoping mommy comes and makes it all better. But we know that sublimation is the only positive defence mechnism. The honor stuff only allows you to justify your horible mistake. "Oh they stabbed me in the back. Even though it didn't hurt me in the least, I have every right to invest the companies assets into my little ***** fest".

I think if you look at it psychologicly, you can see it just doesn't make sence, and that honor isn't THAT great of a atribute. Maybe we hit it right. In the westerrn cultures, someone who is honerable is one who is ubstanding, does the right thing, is a good person. But, just because someone isn't honerable, doesn't mean we hunt them and stab them in the back. No. Maybe if he steals and piliges, maybe. But the lack of honor isn't a justifiable reason to try ansd start fights.

I'm probobly looking at it though a one sided culture. But, I feel that in the universal definition of "good" that you don't terorize and get agressive.

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smashchu2 said:

sgtmajorkururu said:

About the ethics and honor thing, the two aren't necessarily like salt and pepper. Ethics is more Western, honor is Eastern; what seems like a big slice of Ludicrous Pie to you makes perfect sense in the world of Japanese business.

The SegaSammy merger did happen--as Fry told you, Sammy's a Japanese business and not the international giant Sega is/was, so it wasn't that widely recognized, except on some game websites. I remember hearing about it back when it happened on The Sonic Foundation.

I think what Sammy's trying to do is exactly what you said--run Sega into the ground, to break them. Eventually if Sega screws up enough, they'll probably go bankrupt, and Sammy will pump life back into them on the condition that they do exclusively what is asked demanded of them. Of course, it's still Sega's own fault for pushing crap like Sonic Adventure 2 and Shadow the Hedgehog out the doors...

lol, Count Bleck is awesome sauce!

I knbow there is a culture gap I'm missing, but I don't think honor should be a crutch. It's Operant Conditioning. If someone does something too you(which may or may not hurt you), but it's perfectly OK to become the school ground bully, forget everything that is way more importaint and wizzel them up as bad as possible. This, which would seem bad to most people, is excepted, and even expected in their culture. They are reinforced to do this. In America, if someone pulls out of a murge, you smack talk and get on with your life. The worst case senario is that competion is more heated. Also, in America, if you work for a better, heathier market, you are rewarded, and in the opposite, this behavior(overtaking a company) is schoned apon in the public's eye, and quite possible the buisness world. So, when it comes to reinfocement, I think we did the better job(figures, as the most Japan has done for psychology is Brain Age).

But, as you said, if they are trying to crush Sega then they will drag themselves to hell along side Sega. Funny though, that this fate is what they wanted. Risking profits for being an ***. This is easily regression. Crying like a little baby, hoping mommy comes and makes it all better. But we know that sublimation is the only positive defence mechnism. The honor stuff only allows you to justify your horible mistake. "Oh they stabbed me in the back. Even though it didn't hurt me in the least, I have every right to invest the companies assets into my little ***** fest".

I think if you look at it psychologicly, you can see it just doesn't make sence, and that honor isn't THAT great of a atribute. Maybe we hit it right. In the westerrn cultures, someone who is honerable is one who is ubstanding, does the right thing, is a good person. But, just because someone isn't honerable, doesn't mean we hunt them and stab them in the back. No. Maybe if he steals and piliges, maybe. But the lack of honor isn't a justifiable reason to try ansd start fights.

I'm probobly looking at it though a one sided culture. But, I feel that in the universal definition of "good" that you don't terorize and get agressive.

*shrugs* What do you want me to say? On a moral scale, you're right, but the business world doesn't work that smoothly. People do undercut, cheat, asskiss and ruin others to get what they want. It's part of the schtick in being a suit. You don't even need to be across the ocean to enter an entirely new world; simply step through the looking glass of business politics, and watch that you land on something soft when you fall down the rabbit hole. You know?

[Smashchu]

sgtmajorkururu said:

*shrugs* What do you want me to say? On a moral scale, you're right, but the business world doesn't work that smoothly. People do undercut, cheat, asskiss and ruin others to get what they want. It's part of the schtick in being a suit. You don't even need to be across the ocean to enter an entirely new world; simply step through the looking glass of business politics, and watch that you land on something soft when you fall down the rabbit hole. You know?

I guess I'm just rambeling. I trying to look at it psychologicly. Even in the US, the buisness world is cut thought, but we as people still look on to those with integrity.

Of course your right. The world is a scary place when you ee it in the light of buisness and polictic. Guess absolute power corupts absolutly. Maybe if people were more realistic....

[Saim]

Honor is definately not more eastern. It's just that most of it in Europe was during the medieval times.

And who the wizzle is Sammy?

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saimdusan said:

Honor is definately not more eastern. It's just that most of it in Europe was during the medieval times.

And who the wizzle is Sammy?

Hint: Read the article on page one, you know, the one this topic is about. If you're hesitant, it's a good read--long, but well worth the time.

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JeuxFrance can blow me.

Or whoever the hell the publisher of this article is.

For those unfamiliar with what you're seeing, it's pictures of Jet Grind Radio and Jet Set Radio Future laid out over a picture of the Wii. The person who linked it to me at first said it was strictly rumor-milling; that alone was more than enough to hook me. Either installment in the JSR series hitting the Wii? I'd hit it harder than naked Falco, and a rumor was more than enough news for me. Especially since the series is, for all intents and purposes, dead.

However, one rough translation through Babelfish later, and--even through the garbled mishmashing--it was apparent that the article was strictly an opinion column of the staff's desires to see "Mr. Sega put the Jet Set Radio for the Wii."

So, eff you too Mr. French Magazine Numbnuts McButtBurgers.