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Post by Manspeed on Aug 2, 2009 17:36:58 GMT -5
Diddy being DK's nephew still doesn't sit well with me, and I really don't know why you're so intent on convincing me otherwise.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Aug 2, 2009 18:09:32 GMT -5
I don't think Kirbychu is convincing you.... he's just explaining what a fictional universe is and tells you (or pretty much everyone here) not to get overly serious with it. Unless you want your game to be like this. It's got a medicore score for a reason. |
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Post by kirbychu on Aug 3, 2009 6:32:31 GMT -5
YL hit the nail on the head. I'm not trying to convince you, I was originally just pointing out that the games have canonically stated he's his nephew in response to you complaining about getting the question wrong.  My point is that the rules of a fictional universe are what they tell you they are. If the games want to say that Diddy is DK's nephew, then that is true regardless of a difference in species. Because real-world facts don't apply. But, if you really need to be anal about it, there's nothing to say Diddy couldn't be an adopted nephew.  |
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 3, 2009 11:45:55 GMT -5
I don't remember him being referred to as his nephew in-game other than Melee, which was riddled with errors regardless. I'll admit I like the adopted nephew idea. It explains why Diddy's parents are never shown and sort of carries the Batman/Robin-esque partnership they have.  |
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Post by kirbychu on Aug 4, 2009 7:31:51 GMT -5
Diddy was called his nephew in DK64, as well as a bunch of times by Rare in interviews and on their website.
There's also a DK comic book series which was released over here in the UK when DKC came out (and never made it to a second issue) which I'm fairly certain referred to him as his nephew. I'll have to dig that out and scan it next time I'm back in England, 'cause I've never seen it even mentioned anywhere online.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 13, 2009 10:00:45 GMT -5
Just to jump in here, I've been working on the information for the Donkey Kong Country series. I remember years back reading that Cranky's house in the DKC Donkey Kong had Sabre Wulf's head mounted on the wall, but there was also a framed photo - impossible to make out on the screen - that I knew had been identified on the Rare website. But that site has changed and cut out nearly everything from their Nintendo days.
What happened next is scary and a little depressing. A trip down memory lane to my pre-NinDB days, when I was a regular reader of "Rarewhere", courtesy of the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.
I found loads of the information I was looking for (it's a picture of all the Sabre Wulf characters), plus interviews with the teams that worked on the GBC and GBA Donkey Kong Country ports. Along the way I stumbled across loads of additional information in Scribes.
Long-winded story over with, the upshot is that one of the senior guys who worked on Donkey Kong Country says in one Scribes that they always thought the "nephew" link was always a bit tenuous, what with Diddy being a monkey and Donkey Kong being a gorilla. So yes, they said nephew, and no, they didn't think about it at the time and don't particularly care about it now.
Stick with "little buddy".
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 13, 2009 14:57:59 GMT -5
Are you gonna delve into any more of that information in the actual article, Fry? It sounds juicy for any avid DK fan.  |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 14, 2009 3:16:27 GMT -5
For a completely arbitrary reason, I have decided to do some major rewriting of the Donkey Kong Country series. Perhaps because the Donkey Kong series was always the first cornerstone of the site's development (the first big series alphabetically, so most of the site's structure and layout were based on work done on DK).
I'm trying to write articles with a little more depth, so no doubt some of that information will be plucked from the halls of Rare's old website. However, the stuff about the Kong family won't be added - or will be added as a separate feature.
I have made a stand, however - I am referring to Cranky as DK's "grandfather" and Diddy as his "buddy" (rather than father / nephew respectively). I'm expecting some moaning DK fanboys to take issue with that.
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 14, 2009 8:24:48 GMT -5
Well, the grandfather/father thing doesn't really matter in the long run since any which way you slice it DK Jr. seems to have been erased from existence, thus there's no monkey wrench (pardon) to throw into the works.
Diddy being established as DK's sidekick rather than his nephew is one thing I'm glad about though.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 26, 2009 12:59:10 GMT -5
Personally, I'm going with Kirbychu on this: Diddy is DK's nephew BY ADOPTION.
I'm also going with myself on this one: I don't see what it matters as long as we know Diddy's DK's sidekick.
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Post by kirbychu on Aug 27, 2009 4:39:21 GMT -5
Eh, to me, hearing that certain Rare staff members didn't care for the nephew connection doesn't seem to suggest it was retconned. Especially since they continued to call him DK's nephew on their website for as long as they were making DK games.
Honestly, I don't care about how the family connections work. It's a video game. But the Kong Family have always been referred to as the Kong Family. So that's how I'm going to continue to see them. Diddy's referred to as his nephew about as often as he is his little buddy anyway, and I don't see the two as contradictory, personally.
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Post by Dasher Misire on Aug 27, 2009 13:42:22 GMT -5
The family thing is not to be taken totally seriously unless Diddy and Dixie are promoting incest. Wrinkly calls Dixie her granddaughter so it's like some sort of common last name and the whole group of Kongs are soul relatives, not related by blood beyond several exceptions.
But if we take the Kong Family thing seriously with Dixie in it? The lovers are related? "That's even better!"
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Post by nocturnal YL on Aug 27, 2009 14:36:49 GMT -5
I can, for example, say to Dasher "Wassup, bro?"
And that doesn't make him my bro.
You know, just calling someone something doesn't mean that person IS the said thing.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 27, 2009 15:53:18 GMT -5
I can, for example, say to Dasher "Wassup, bro?" And that doesn't make him my bro. It would make you about 10 years out of date though Although perhaps all the in-breeding between Cranky and Wrinkly explains how Diddy can be DK's nephew. He's not a chimp... he's a freak gorilla with stunted growth and a tail caused by genetic abnormalities. |
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Post by Da Robot on Aug 27, 2009 17:01:22 GMT -5
Personally, I'm going with Kirbychu on this: Diddy is DK's nephew BY ADOPTION. I'm also going with myself on this one: I don't see what it matters as long as we know Diddy's DK's sidekick. My theory is that the whole "nephew" situation is just a clever joke from Rare. Ever heard of the saying "well, I'll be a monkey's uncle?" Because DK's in that very situation if Diddy is his nephew. |
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