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Post by Koopaul on Feb 9, 2010 14:31:55 GMT -5
Hey times are peaceful for me here, and for that I'm grateful. But I still wanted to get my strange situation out there, y'know once everything became calm.
You see I have an unusual problem. I'm sooo neutral that I'm the opposite of everything. Its true! It may have seemed like I had radically different opinions here but that's not true, in fact I agree with most of you.
However I'm very neutral, but instead of just agreeing with everything, I always feel the need to defend the other side. Or disagree with everything... Yes let me give you an interesting example...
Remeber that whole Jungle Beat incident? Well I had a similar issue on the DKU. Yeah the DKU. The odd thing is that it was for the exact OPPOSITE reason! I was defending Jungle Beat for its gameplay! Lot's if not most of people on the DKU hated Jungle Beat for not using the Country characters and elements. I thought it was terrible to hate such an awesome game for that reason.
Of course there was much misunderstanding and trouble.
Ironically when I came to the NinDB the game was praised by most and some people felt that the DKC characters were not needed. Despite loving the game I still agreed with the DKU that a Donkey Kong game needs Donkey Kong characters. As usual I felt a need to defend those characters as I knew they were important to the series.
Of course there was much misunderstanding and trouble.
Its an interesting note that the DKU and NinDB's owners are on completely opposite ends of the scale, and I seem to be right in the middle. So I was often conflicted, confused and unable to express myself without coming off as a jackass.
I just thought this was an interesting tale.
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Feb 9, 2010 20:48:40 GMT -5
So let me see if I understood: | Absence of DKC feel | Gameplay | | DKU forum | Don't like it | Don't like it | | You | Don't like it | Like it | NinDB
(according to you) | Like it | Like it |
Right? I think you shouldn't generalize NinDB though. There's all kinds of people here. Some like obscure games while some don't care much. Some love to discuss fan theories on game series like Zelda and Donkey Kong, and some don't. Some like Pokémon, and some don't care much. Some like Tingle, while some can't stand him. Etcetera. Also, I feel sometimes that you do like controversy. Like when you created that thread just to talk about things that nobody agreed with oneself. |
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Post by Koopaul on Feb 9, 2010 22:08:10 GMT -5
So let me see if I understood: | Absence of DKC feel | Gameplay | | DKU forum | Don't like it | Don't like it | | You | Don't like it | Like it | NinDB
(according to you) | Like it | Like it |
Right? More like: | Absence of DKC feel | Gameplay | | DKU forum | Don't like it | Don't care | | You | Don't like it | Like it | NinDB
(according to me) | Don't care | Like it |
I think you shouldn't generalize NinDB though. Just like I shouldn't generalize the DKU? ;D However my quarrels have never been with most members on these forums, rather the most important ones. That's right the administrator. They ARE the forum. They represent the site's opinions. So when I say NinDB I mean the owner. Also, I feel sometimes that you do like controversy. Like when you created that thread just to talk about things that nobody agreed with oneself. Ah yes it does seem like that doesn't it? I have this uncontrollable urge to fight, even when uncalled for. I like to say things loud! "This is what I think! This is what I feel!" Annoying huh? Yeah I'd hate me too! Admittedly, that topic mentioned was an excuse to get things off my chest and to see if anyone shared any similar light. However this topic is basically about my observation on the polar opposite sites and the strange relationship between them. It is interesting to know that there are many DKU/NinDB members who commute back and forth between these communities. I don't think that's a coincidence. I think the DKU and NinDB share something greatly in common. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Feb 10, 2010 0:58:02 GMT -5
To say, the views of the collective don't necessarily equate to the views of the leader. God, the memories. I've been to a forum once that absolutely proved this. Do you remember, Johans? Ah, that was fun. Almost NO ONE agreed with the admin, and if I'm not mistaken, "Almost" was debatable. We're not run by a lunatic here, but views still clash. Keep that in mind.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Feb 10, 2010 5:32:30 GMT -5
Neutrality means not favouring one side or the other. What you are doing isn't neutral. If you're subconsciously arguing both sides of the coin, your opinions are jumbled and you're unable to commit. If you're consciously arguing both sides then you are playing the Devil's Advocate, which can be a telltale sign of an addiction to conflict.
However, the same can be said for just about everybody on the internet, especially in forums.
One thing I love about the NinDB forums is that there are many here with reasoned opinions about things, who will debate for a resolution, rather than argue and fight because people disagree with them. It's one of the reasons I still love this little community.
I don't mind someone not agreeing with my opinions, but they have to back them up with opinions of their own, or reasonable counter-arguments. Someone who doesn't have an opinion has no right to comment on my opinion.
Similarly, ignoring or being selective about someone else's opinion so that you don't have to admit they might have a good point is infuriating, and there have been a few cases where I've nearly struck the (temporary) ban hammer on the worst offenders. I hope I gave them a fair shot to explain themselves, but it just becomes abusive after a point.
I don't think people always see that line between debate and conflict.
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Post by Koopaul on Feb 10, 2010 19:14:14 GMT -5
Ah but the argument was not exactly on the same coin. One argument I had was about the game being great because of its gameplay (which we both agree) but the argument here on these forums was not about the game being good or not, but if it needed Country characters.
So the arguments were about different points of the same game.
Um think of it like this. Imagine sharing certain views of the Conservative Party but also sharing views of the Liberal Party.
If you are sharing both views of something that is opposite that means you will always have an opposite view for everyone.
Like um... Positive attracts Negative and visa versa. Positive and Positive repel each other. If something was both positive and negative they'd neither attract nor repel anything.
Something like that.
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Post by Sqrt2 on Feb 10, 2010 20:26:37 GMT -5
So let me see if I understood: | Absence of DKC feel | Gameplay | | DKU forum | Don't like it | Don't like it | | You | Don't like it | Like it | NinDB
(according to you) | Like it | Like it |
Scarily enough, I find myself agreeing with the top row. Does that mean I'm a bigot like those guys at the DKU? |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Feb 10, 2010 20:45:43 GMT -5
No. You aren't trying to create a universe out of cameos. "Oh my God, Banjo was in Diddy Kong Racing, the entire Banjo-Kazooie universe is Donkey Kong's! Oh, what's that? Mario was in Donkey Kong, the first game in both series? So? Mario's not Donkey Kong, the series split EVEN THOUGH THE TWO KEEP SEEING EACH OTHER." That's their "logic." It's flawed beyond belief, as you see, because it's exclusive and pretentious. Mario and DK have met more often than Banjo and Conker have met Diddy, yet Banjo and Conker share a universe with DK but Mario doesn't. It's like they're run by monkeys themselves, except that'd make 'em funny because they'd randomly post a picture of banana peels and poo-fight movies, and we all know that'd be fun to watch.
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Post by Manspeed on Feb 10, 2010 22:37:21 GMT -5
It should be noted that nobody really focuses or even really cares about universal workings over at DKU anymore. Heck, the board is as dead as can be.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Feb 19, 2010 6:58:01 GMT -5
Ah but the argument was not exactly on the same coin. One argument I had was about the game being great because of its gameplay (which we both agree) but the argument here on these forums was not about the game being good or not, but if it needed Country characters. So the arguments were about different points of the same game. Um think of it like this. Imagine sharing certain views of the Conservative Party but also sharing views of the Liberal Party. If you are sharing both views of something that is opposite that means you will always have an opposite view for everyone. Like um... Positive attracts Negative and visa versa. Positive and Positive repel each other. If something was both positive and negative they'd neither attract nor repel anything. Something like that. The argument was actually about whether Jungle Beat sucked because it didn't have anything from the DKC games in it, which I entirely disagree with and think is retarded. I will extend you the courtesy of saying you weren't the one arguing that particular point, but you did set yourself up alongside those who were making that point, and you were also guilty of being selective when it came to things I'd said, taking things out of context, which basically fuelled the rage. Differing opinions is fine. Great, even! Variety is the spice of life. I will argue my corner, and I expect others to argue their corner equally well. But you have to be ready to accept a well-reasoned argument, or accept when your argument is flawed. You also have to submit to evidence to the contrary. After all, if it was my opinion that gay people should die (it isn't), I would certainly hope that others would call me out on it, and perhaps even suggest that I should die (for much better reasons, no less). It would be a big wuss who would say I was entitled to my opinion, and that person would lose my respect immediately. |
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Post by Koopaul on Feb 19, 2010 17:44:54 GMT -5
Well at least you know where I stand now and that's what matters.
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