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Post by Da Robot on Jan 12, 2017 22:54:18 GMT -5
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Post by Nester the Lark on Jan 13, 2017 0:47:21 GMT -5
Well, a lot to take in there. Launching worldwide on March 3 is sooner than I expected. US$299 price is reasonable. The Joy-Cons do a lot more than I expected. I thought the "HD Rumble" thing was kinda cool, but not sure how much it'll actually get used. Seeing so much emphasis on motion controlled games at the beginning was a little weird. Say goodbye to free online gaming. (Speaking of online, no mention of Miiverse.) EDIT: I forgot. It's also not region-locked. EDIT 2: Still only 32GB of internal storage. And the games... Super Mario Odyssey - Wasn't expect what this turned out to be. Seeing Mario run around in a "realistic" environment next to "normal" humans was strange. Gave me a bit of a Sonic Adventure vibe. The open-world style looked cool, though. Splatoon 2 - A little surprised this is a full-on sequel, but that must mean it's mostly new content. Fire Emblem Warriors - I've mentioned wanting to see this before, so I'm interested. (I'd still prefer Hyrule Warriors 2, but I assume that'll be a stopgap between regular Zelda games). Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - Wasn't expecting this at all. I assume it continues the story of the original? (And I still haven't played X yet.) Zelda: Breath of the Wild - Glad I can still get this day-one on my Wii U. Amazing trailer, though. Lots of voice acting. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - This wasn't shown during the presentation, but the trailer is online. Includes the DLC from the Wii U version, plus a Splatoon track and playable Inklings. The rest - Not super excited for Arms, 1 2 Switch, or most of the third-party stuff shown. Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap, Rayman Legends: Definitive Edition, Puyo Puyo Tetris S, Super Bomberman R and Sonic Mania have been confirmed so far (as I'm typing this). Final thoughts: Yeah, of course I want one. The price is good, and I'm sure we'll see more game announcements (I'm already seeing them as I type this). Still don't know if it's a day-one thing for me, but hopefully sometime this year (unless it ends up being like the original Wii).
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Post by nocturnal YL on Jan 13, 2017 2:15:35 GMT -5
Prior to this presentation, the PS4 was actually more attractive to me than the Switch. The Switch gave me zero reason besides a vague "new Mario coming", while PS4 has Future Tone and VR (though I'm still uninterested in everything else, and one game won't make me want a system). As for this presentation: I like the launch date of the system. The games, not so much. We still have a whole year until we get to play Mario!? I'm more interested in Mario Odyssey now. That Mexican village did make me wonder if this Mario will take place on Earth, but the NYC cityscape still got me in pleasant surprise. They also look vibrant and filled with interesting enemies and NPCs. Arms actually got some of my interest. I know it won't be a big game, but the prospect of fighting with spring arms is fun. PuyoTeto looks the same as the updated version of that game on PS4 and Xbox one. So far, I don't see that game being further upgraded at all. The story is still the same, and the 4-player UI is still awkward as ever. I'm glad to see Bomberman back, but it doesn't seem to be that much improved from Bomberman Blast (Wii) / Ultra (PS3) / Live (Xbox 360). Fire Emblem Warriors is... well, kind of expected. Hopefully it'll give some love for Magvall, unlike Cipher. Hopefully Switch's portability means Koei won't release another, better version on the 3DS just to spite the home version owners. Also, Spelunker on Switch. Yay! Personally, I'm hoping this system can attract other developers to make some of their traditionally PlayStation-side games to a system that I'd actually buy. My interest in Nintendo has drifted quite a bit lately (which I have Nintendo's own Band Brothers P to thank for), so a system that plays both Nintendo games and whatever non-Nintendo games I'm interested in would serve me well. Also, as a fan of so few game series, I'm usually judging a system with a checklist: does it have anything from (insert series here)? In this aspect, I'm more or less neutral with the Switch. I get to see an excellent 3D Mario, but most other series I'm interested in do not show up (which is to be expected in a launch presentation). Maybe I'll get it late this year or early next year. Anyway, it's not going to be a day one buy for me. They say there are currently 80 games under development, although we don't know how many of those are retail games. For reference, the Wii U has 101 retail games in Japan. And hopefully, the coming few days will have the third party publishers talk more about what they have, especially since Nintendo's own lineup is quite a downer. Oh, one last thing: I've complained about Nintendo's region locking for ages. Glad to see it finally gone.
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Post by Nester the Lark on Jan 13, 2017 13:32:54 GMT -5
Now that I've had some time to digest it, I have to say I think the presentation, itself, was kinda weak. (And not just because the English translators seemed a little lost now and then.)
On one hand, I think it was an attempt to avoid the confusion that followed the Wii U reveal. Here, they took the time to meticulously explain in detail exactly what this thing is and what it can do.
On the other hand, did they really make the case for the system? They showed some cool games, to be sure, but I thought the reason the console was launching in March (as opposed to last holiday) was so that there would be extra time to create a strong launch lineup and get lots of third-party support. So far, there are only five launch games, the biggest one being Zelda, and that's also for Wii U. Splatoon 2 is coming this Summer, Mario next Holiday, Xenoblade 2 sometime in 2017 (but only in Japan).
Also, it's cool that they got some third-party testimonials, but it wasn't exactly enthusiastic. Worst of all was the guy from EA, who was there in person (and wasn't exactly energetic), announcing FIFA (and nothing else) for the Switch. (And his translator was Bill Trinen? What was he randomly doing there?) At least Suda 51 added a little a little excitement.
So, yeah, feels like a bit of a misfire.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Jan 13, 2017 14:40:15 GMT -5
The EA part is probably the worst. Maybe it's just me, and maybe it has to do with his "young rich man who works on the business side" background, but I think Patrick Söderlund sounded rather condescending. Calling FIFA "the most social sports game Nintendo systems will get" doesn't exactly sound good given how EA treated Nintendo in the past. "Here, take my leftovers, but even my leftovers are the best stuff you're going to get, am I riiiight?" (Or maybe I'm just looking with tainted, bias-coloured glasses as soon as I saw "EA".)
Part of me wanted to see SEGA doing more than they did. I'm glad they're finally making the updated version of PuyoTeto available on a Nintendo system (still mad that they didn't at least apply a game balance patch for the old versions), but everything else they have isn't new.
As far as Nintendo's own games go, the worst part of the show is the date of Super Mario Odyssey. When they said they delayed the system to have more games ready, I thought they'd have a much better launch lineup. I even thought they may, perchance, finally get to start a console with a Mario platformer again since Nintendo 64 (GBA and DS don't count; those are remakes). Actually, with almost everything unknown prior to the presentation, the Mario game served as one of the biggest reasons I was looking forward to this show. Alas.
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Post by Nester the Lark on Jan 13, 2017 16:23:31 GMT -5
I'm pretty satisfied with what Sega is offering. Sonic Mania is confirmed (although I could've just played that on PC). Sonic 2017 was confirmed last year. And if you count Atlus, they have a Shin Megami Tensei game on the way. Overall, I think I'm just a little baffled at the lean launch lineup and first year of software. I suppose there could still be announcements, but the expectation that Nintendo wouldn't repeat the software droughts they had on the Wii U and 3DS makes what they have scheduled very concerning. (Although, I was wrong about Xenoblade 2 being Japan-only in 2017. NoA is listing it for 2017, also.) EDIT: Confirmed no Miiverse (or Streetpass) on Switch.I'm actually really disappointed about this. I'm not super active on there, but I enjoy Miiverse. It can be a fun and helpful community. Does this also mean no Mii avatars? (Don't think we've seen them on Switch yet...?)
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Post by nocturnal YL on Jan 14, 2017 1:22:12 GMT -5
The Mario Kart demo has no option to pick Mii. I'm suspicious. And yes, we have yet to see Mii avatars on Switch. EDIT - ...Oh. They're still there, just gone from the Mario Kart character selection screen. (Or they're what that ? is supposed to be, and are just masked for the demo?)
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Post by Nester the Lark on Jan 15, 2017 13:04:45 GMT -5
Well, at least the Miis are still there. Not that it's super important, but I feel like they add to the personality of Nintendo's systems. (As Miiverse, does.)
Anyway, something funny was pointed out. While the Switch's biggest launch title, Breath of the Wild, is also coming out on Wii U, Just Dance 2017 does it one better. Not only is it a launch title for the Switch, it's also on the Wii U... and the original Wii! Think about that. One of the Switch's launch titles is also running on two-generation-old Nintendo hardware, which itself was considered "last gen" 10 years ago.
And on another completely unrelated note, it turns out that Super Bomberman R is being developed by former Hudson Soft employees who worked on previous Bomberman games, so that's cool. I hope it does well so Konami stops ignoring Hudson's IP.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Jan 15, 2017 13:48:48 GMT -5
I noticed that part about Just Dance 2017 when I first heard of the game (they did mention the Wii and Wii U versions back then). It's quite something.
We did see another Hudson IP resurrect a while ago: Momotaro Dentetsu 2017, out for the Japanese 3DS last month thanks to the efforts of Valhalla and Nintendo.
Super Bomberman R looks better than I expected. It looks like Bomberman finally starts with 2 fire instead of 1 (which frustrates me, since 1 fire is so ineffective in both 1P and VS). Too bad the SNES / Saturn music don't return.
I'm somewhat indifferent towards Miiverse. It did help me once in a while (I've had some helpful guy explain to me how to play the guitar parts in Band Brothers, for example), and I enjoy posting screenshots whenever I see something interesting or want to immortalise my achievements, but it's not that important. Any other official user-to-user channel (under a different name) can just do as much.
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Post by Nester the Lark on Jan 15, 2017 15:27:03 GMT -5
The lack of Miiverse hit me harder than I would've expected. It's come to the point where I consider it part of the game experience. I would rather ask for help on Miiverse than look up a guide on the internet. (There are a lot of cool, friendly people on Miiverse who always help me out.) I enjoy the amazing fan art and silly memes. Even if I don't always post a lot myself, I like lurking and seeing what other people are talking about.
Nintendo said that the Switch will integrate with existing social media networks (probably Facebook, Twitter, etc.), but it just won't be the same (and not just because I don't really like Facebook). I like that Miiverse is specifically a Nintendo-based network, and pretty much everyone on it is someone who loves Nintendo. I love seeing posts from people (probably kids) that simply say "I love this game!" That kind of simple, optimistic enthusiasm is refreshing to see online. It just all feels very warm and friendly.
And that's part of why I would rather play the Wii U version of Breath of the Wild. I want to have that community experience with it.
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Post by Da Robot on Jan 16, 2017 6:42:16 GMT -5
I would have thought the others would have came to post here by now . . . The event did show the Switch off well and showed what it can do. HD Rumble sounds pretty interesting, hopefully it can get used well. Here's a video from company called Miraisens that invented it showing what it can do. (Go to 1:35). Super Mario Odyssey: Looks interesting, throwing the hat to use it a platform to midair jump looks pretty cool. Splatoon 2: A proper sequel, the changes to the Chargers and Roller look like nice additions. New specials look cool and great to see a FLUDD style jetpack in Splatoon. ARMS: Looks fun, main music theme is nice and happy to hear it will have online. Hopefully it has more characters (which currently look awesome) and single player content. The only disappointment I can say it involves boxing but will probably have no relation to Punch Out or even Teleroboxer. 1,2 Switch: The Quick Draw minigame looks awesome (and can be understood by everyone) but the other games though . . . They need to reveal more content to justify the price. And no rebranding it as WarioWare won't help, everyone would just complain "where are the 5 second microgames?" or even as Game & Wario 2. I think the concept of "not watching" the screen is going to be lost on people. Also won't deny I fought the western scene at the start of the trailer was going to lead to a Wild Gunman game. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe: Was personally hoping that maybe they would bring back the Double Dash 2-man karts but oh well. Battle mode looks good, hopefully the can bring back N64 Double Deck battle mode stage. Inklings are a nice addition. Though a lack of new race tracks is concerning. FE:W, Xenoblade 2, NMH3: Unexpected, even having Suda 51 on stage at event like this felt even stranger. It's been said the translator couldn't keep up with him because he kept referencing obscure-ish Japanese stuff. Snipper Clips: A $20 downloadable puzzle title that looks pretty cool and while being published by Nintendo, is actually being co-developed by the developer Super Flash Bros Games/SFB Games and Nintendo. Yes, those guys who made the Decline of Video Gaming series from Newgrounds in the mid 2000's. This game was actually revealed in 2015 by SFB Games when it was still independent developed as Friend Shapes. If you haven't seen video of it, watch it now. Removal of region locking is good to see, while paying for online though sounds concerning especially when the cost hasn't been revealed or what features it will have (will it even be "better" than what we have now?). The loss of Streetpass doesn't seem that bad, (You can't guarantee that everyone is going to walking around with the Switch in sleepmode). The loss of Miiverse though is much greater, drawing integration in games like Splatoon is going to be a massive loss. EDIT: Official art for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe showing when two squid meet . . .
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Post by nocturnal YL on Jan 19, 2017 12:23:24 GMT -5
And that's part of why I would rather play the Wii U version of Breath of the Wild. I want to have that community experience with it. I've been wondering, after the IGN report that the Switch version is slightly better, are you still feeling that you'd stick to the Wii U version? I'd be rather disappointed if Nintendo really is going to replace Miiverse with generic social media services (that at least you and I won't use), although I still say it won't be a dealbreaker. To add a bit on what I feel about the Switch, I'm a bit irritated about it having certain Wii U games, particularly Puyo Puyo Tetris and Mario Kart 8, with both of which I'd gladly get the Switch version if it doesn't cost me anything and if I can transfer the save data. The feeling that you get punished for being supportive and buy an earlier version is just bad. I would have thought the others would have came to post here by now . . . Welcome to the NinDB Forums. By now we should all be familiar with this silence. The event did show the Switch off well and showed what it can do. HD Rumble sounds pretty interesting, hopefully it can get used well. Here's a video from company called Miraisens that invented it showing what it can do. (Go to 1:35). Nice video. I was hoping for screen button haptic feedback support, and that combined with the ability to play the system like the Wii U would lead to what's possibly the best controller ever conceived. Neither is possible with Switch, though. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe: Was personally hoping that maybe they would bring back the Double Dash 2-man karts but oh well. Battle mode looks good, hopefully the can bring back N64 Double Deck battle mode stage. Inklings are a nice addition. Though a lack of new race tracks is concerning. I think those four battle courses are all we're going to see. I'm glad to see Luigi's Mansion and Bob-omb Battle -- that's my favourite way to play Double Dash. Removal of region locking is good to see, while paying for online though sounds concerning especially when the cost hasn't been revealed or what features it will have (will it even be "better" than what we have now?). The loss of Streetpass doesn't seem that bad, (You can't guarantee that everyone is going to walking around with the Switch in sleepmode). The loss of Miiverse though is much greater, drawing integration in games like Splatoon is going to be a massive loss. To some extent, I'm glad to see StreetPass gone. Playing StreetPass-enabled games isn't fun for those who don't live in large cities with a sizeable gaming population or in Nintendo-supported areas (Japan, Europe, etc). I know I'll never get the StreetPass-related stamps in Project mirai DX. With Miiverse, I'm mostly concerned with the ability to take screenshots without external tools, which we already know is possible.
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Post by Nester the Lark on Jan 19, 2017 14:18:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm still sticking with the Wii U version for the main reason that I don't intend to get a Switch at launch, and I don't want to wait for Zelda. The upgrades are nice, but nothing too dramatic. It's worth noting that the Wii U version is not a down-port of the Switch version, but that the Switch version is an up-port of the Wii U version. (In fact, they only decided to port it to Switch less than a year ago.) So, the game's performance is what it always would've been if there hadn't been a Switch version at all (sans Gamepad support), and that's fine with me. Also, I get sentimental at the turn of console generations. I have such good memories of the old console that I don't want to let it go so easily. I love my Wii U, and I want to see it live on just a bit longer.
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