Look at the Idiot

[Fryguy64]

What on Earth have you been reading? Sony knows it can't sell a videogame console for $500 when there is much lower-priced competition out there. If they make a big loss on each system then so be it.

But somehow I doubt that's the case.

[Andronicus]

The live conferencing ability is a great idea IMO...

See, here's the thing.
Multiplayer video gaming is a great lot of fun.
But it's the playing of such games with a group of friends n the same room that makes it fun.

I've argued in the past that on-line gaming takes away this personal element, such that you're playing against faceless people you don't know, and you can't gloat, taunt or anything like that.

Now, imagine that your friends don't live locally.
You log on-line, start playing your multiplayer games against them, but now you can talk and taunt and whatever, depsite the fact that you aren't in the same room.
It remains personal.
I consider this to be a good idea, provided that it is at no extra cost to whatever the on-line service costs for the PS3.
(I probably won't be getting a PS3, but it's still a good idea).



On the pricetag.
Yes, it will be high. BUT, I am sure that Sony will sell it at slightly less than we think - see, they're losing on the PSP, but like I said with M$, that is to be expected.
They will probably allow for a slightly lower selling price for the PS3 to make it an attractive buy, and allow for a certain amount of loss at the beginning.

I don't see whhy it won't sell.
Might not sell like the PS2 is selling now, but let me ask you one more question...

How much was the PS2 at launch?
Bloody expensive - that's how much!
I recall that mine, at launch, cost somewhere in the vicinity of AUD $650-$750 (or thereabouts), which, with the current exchange rate between the AUD (Asutralian Dollar) and USD, and projected PS3 cost, would be very close.

My point?
This is not that different to last time, and the PS2 did kinda alright...

[The Almighty Narf]

admin said:

What on Earth have you been reading? Sony knows it can't sell a videogame console for $500 when there is much lower-priced competition out there. If they make a big loss on each system then so be it.

But somehow I doubt that's the case.

Considering the hardware inside the system, I would be absolutly amazed if it costed any less then $500.

[Dances in Undergarments]

But with consoles you don't pay what it would cost for all the parts individually, you pay a reduced cost. Thats why companies lose money on consoles.

[The Almighty Narf]

Well, yea... the hardware itself has gotta be costing Sony at least $1000. The disk drive alone goes for about $300 comercialy.

[Smashchu]

I heard the grafic cards are 1000$ for each system. Also Video chat isn't that amazing. With all this text-messaging and what not, do we really need video chat? I think that sony will put these things in there system and people will go bonkeras and buy it every where else. There just doing this to make $ on other products they make. But I'll be amazied if it is under 500$. Think at the $ they'll lose. If they sold if for 300$-499$ then they'll lose so much money(the 1000$ waas only for the grafics card, how much dose the rest of it cost?) also the games are going to be 60$-70$ AND Sony is demanding so much from the developers thet they can't keep up.
I think no matter what they'll do they'll just have to give in to the Big N.

[Andronicus]

This $1,000 graphics card you speak of Smashchu...
Is that the retail price, or the price to manufacture?

See, Sony doesn't spend the retail price on the graphics cards.
Anything tha they don't manufacture they purchase wholesale from their suppliers, and the contraccts can be negotiated to minimise the overall cost for the buyer (Sony in this case).

That would make it quite cheaper.

Just wondering...
;D

[Fryguy64]

How much do consoles usually sell for over in the states at release? My mind can't quite get around these exchange rates.

New consoles go for between £150 and £300 over here.

[Dances in Undergarments]

I agree with Andronicus about the video chat, it is a good idea. While I haven't ever played anything online, I would imagine text-messaging would be pretty bad in alot of cases. Your half way through a game of SSB, then, somebody pauses the game, types "ha ha you got pwned", unpauses, you receive the message, pause it, type back "no you got pwned, moron", etc, etc.

Of course the video chatting will only be good if it doesn't interfere with the gameplay, so the screen can't be too big nor can it make the connection speed slow.

[Andronicus]

Exactly.
;D

Alternatively, they could just have voice - so the players just talk to each other...
Less interference that way.

[The Almighty Narf]

admin said:

How much do consoles usually sell for over in the states at release?

Almost always $300, wiith the GCN being the rare exception at $200.

[Nester the Lark]

narf said:

admin said:

How much do consoles usually sell for over in the states at release?

Almost always $300, wiith the GCN being the rare exception at $200.

Don't forget the Dreamcast was also $200 at launch, as well as pretty much every Nintendo and Sega system released before that.

The Playstation 1 and 2 were each $300 at launch, despite being suspected of costing a lot more than that (up to $500). The same thing is suspected with the PS3, so I think it will launch at $300 as well. Ditto for the X-Box/360.

I'm willing to bet Nintendo will stick with its $200 price tag for the Rev. They've always been a very economical company.

Then there was the Neo Geo AES. $600-800 for the system and $200-300 just for a single game. And the prices never came down, even after its technology became obsolete.

[Smashchu]

Retail is 500$. But really, how much will the exchange be. At least 600$(for both) but The company that makes the cards could lose money or sony will cause they'll jack up the price. It could be 300$ but I still see it being more. Expect a price range of 300$-500$(maybe more). Also the games will be 60-70$ because of development cost. Some smaller companys will be shuned and move to Xbox360 or the Revolution(from what I think, they'll go to Nintendo because I they may lack faith in Microsoft, there strict to, and the Revolution is more popular).Also Sony is forcing to much from the smaller companys and the Big ones are working with Nintendo. And The polers say more people are wanting the Revolution. If the system has good launch titles and a cheaper price tag(which it will) I think Nintendo will win.
I think Sony is just shooting it self in the foot. Also this is destin to happen. Every on thought the PSP would outsell the DS but its the other way around. Nintendo went through the same thing but will sony try to bounce back?

[Fryguy64]

But Sony makes a loss on the initial consoles, then as they gain in popularity and age then that pushes the component prices down (bulk-buying, outdated hardware, etc.)

Plus, the licensing costs for developers provides an alternate source of income. But as these become more competitive then the stability of such a source isn't guaranteed.

But yes, Nintendo seems to have learned a lot of lessons from the N64 and GC, and it's about to put them into practice. Viva la Revolution!

[Andronicus]

Nothing like a good evolving business model to pull a company back up and give a good kick in the rear-end to the competition.
;D