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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 22, 2005 1:13:07 GMT -5
Welcome to the PBDT - or the Pokemon Battle Discussion Thread. I love the Pokemon games, and all this talking about them has finally driven me to train up a team to beat the Elite Four in FireRed. Once I've beaten Pikmin 2 I will also defeat those last two battlers in Colosseum.
But where shall I go from there?
So this is a place to discuss current-gen Pokemon strategies, teams, movesets and the like. If you're posting a team then explain the reasoning behind the moves you're using... if you're mentioning a good Pokemon to use, then explain it. If you have any battle strategies at all, explain them.
I'm particularly eager to set up an RSE team, and a separate Doubles Battle RSE team. Obviously you can include any Pokemon available to RSE, even by trade.
If you hate Pokemon, go and read another thread instead. This is for RSE battle discussion ONLY!
Let's get started...
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Post by Flip on Jul 22, 2005 11:21:24 GMT -5
I'm glad to have the Advanced generation, though it is disheartening to know that Nintendo somewhat forced competitive players to use certain Pokemon and strategies. There are some really awesome things you can pull off now, with traits and baton passing and the like, but as anyone who uses NetBattle or battles on IRC will tell you: you're a freakin' idiot if you're not using Tier Pokemon. Yep... Every team it seems has to have its Baton Passer, its Phys. Sweeper, its Spec. Sweeper, its Tank, its Tier Pokemon, and then its Cleric. Nothing original anymore :/ But I can't complain, because RSE is too amazing of a generation to get all bent out of shape about. I still have my own personalized team, right?  Anyways... they revamped EV training, which is incredible. Basically when you fight Pokemon, they give you extra effort points in a certain stat (or statS). You can get a max of 256 effort points in any stat, and for every 4 you get 1 extra point on your actual stat value if I'm not mistaken. The max amount of effort points a Pokemon can have is 512, and after that, they gain no more, and can get a pretty ribbon from the woman in open air market in Slateport Couple Effort Values with Natures (which will give extra boots to one stat and slight decreases to another; or be entirely neutral), and you can get some frighteningly powerful monsters. There's still IVs as well, which fall between 00 and 31 in RSE (it was up to 15 in GSC) and determine the variance of any particular stat. At the early levels, it doesn't matter much. But at level 50 or so, IVs begin to really change your stats immensely. Did you know a Lanturn with 31 IVs and max EVs in HP can have 452 HP? That's insane, considering moderately high for any stat, esp. HP, is 300. Uh... what else... I'm currently EV training a Magmar. Just finished working on Slowbro. I need to use Rare Candies to level him up. Yeah, that's another thing: Rare Candies are only bad to use because they level you up without getting EVs. If you got exp the normal way, you'd inevitably gain EVs while fighting. If you get all your EVs out of the way by selectively battling certain Pokemon (and recording your progress, since EVs are not actually shown to you in game), you can then safely use Rare Candies and still achieve maximum possible stats. Cool, huh? My Slowbro's defense is going to be amazing, and the Spec. Attack and HP are pretty nice too. Of course, being a Slowbro, though, its Spec. Def is awful. Thankfully, we've got Calm Mind to take care of that  Yeah... I'm really into Pokemon...  |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 22, 2005 12:48:35 GMT -5
I stopped paying attention to the lingo after GSC came out, so I might need you to explain what a Tier Pokemon is. Could you also explain this Effort Value revision? Or link me to somewhere that has it explained so I might understand it (that is, someone who knows all about EV training in RBYGSC). I used to run the Pokemon board over at VGF, and be a regular at the RPGamer Pokemon board. I was quite good for my day. |
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Post by Flip on Jul 22, 2005 20:32:08 GMT -5
www.serebii.netDon't know if you've been there, but they do a damned good job explaining everything to those out of sync. Tier Pokemon are Legendaries and Sub-Legendaries, who, believe it or not, all have the same stat totals. There's Four Tiers, and then a few "unofficial" tiers along the way. Tier #--------Base Stat Total--------Who?
1--------680--------Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Rayquaza
2--------670--------Kyogre, Groudon, Slaking (yep!)
3--------600--------Mew, Jirachi, Celebi, Deoxys [all forms], Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Latios, Latias
4--------580--------Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Regice, Regirock, Registeel
"Eevee"--------530--------All the Eeveelutions
"Starter"--------525 to 535--------All the Starters, lowest stats belonging to Blaziken and highest to Swampert Every other Pokemon can fall somewhere up to but not meeting Tier 4. The last two tiers are just observations of mine, and they technically would include a lot of other Pokemon since some monsters have very high stat totals for non-"special" ones (and by special I refer to Legendary/SubLegendary/Starter/etc.). Gyarados is pretty far up there for sure. But then there are some that fall really really low. Like Castform, or Beedrill. Yeah, it can get ugly... Btw, average for any base stat value is 85/80. Anything less is subaverage and not really good to focus on. Anything above, obviously, can be exploited greatly. The highest a base stat can get is 255, and that value is only shared by Shuckle in both its defenses and Blissey in HP. Nothing else reaches that high, though some Pokemon get pretty close (I think Ursaring's base attack breaks 200, as does Machamp's). Speed is a different story because once you hit like... 120 base speed, you're zipping by EVERYTHING. The fastest Pokemon is Deoxys Emerald, but I don't count Legendaries in base stat comparisons, so that leaves Ninjask, with a base speed of 160 (which maxes out at like... 450, I think). Electrode is 140, then there's a bunch with 130 (among them Mewtwo, Aerodactyl and Jolteon). Yeppers.
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Post by Solid Snake on Jul 23, 2005 0:49:28 GMT -5
What's the base stats?
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Jul 23, 2005 1:19:44 GMT -5
I like Pokemon, and have been a fan of it since the release of blue/red, but I honestly have never put any more stratergy into it then just "6 differently typed team members with some powerful moves". I don't have any more strategy than that.
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Post by missingno.is back? on Jul 23, 2005 6:53:43 GMT -5
The way I strategize usually is make my team six completely different Pokémon.
Train them to be great.
And pwn all.
Basically in Sapphire, I mostly rely on Kyogre, as it knows Thunder, Hydro Pump, Blizzard, and Fire Blast (I think Fire Blast...)
Then for my grass type, I got Sceptile
And for flying I got Swellow.
Those are the three best ones I got, I basically just switch and randomly train the rest.
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Jul 23, 2005 13:26:21 GMT -5
They are one of the values that help decide how high a stat can go. They don't change between Pokemon of the same type, so it makes them a nice way of comparing two Pokemon of different types. If you go to gamefaqs.com you can find a Base Stats guide for Ruby and Saphire(Not sure if it's under Emerald). It lists every fully evolved Pokemons Base Stats, from highest to lowest. I'm not all that good at Pokemon. I normally will take a list of my favorite Pokemon and try to build a team out of six of them. (Dusclops, Wobbuffet, Shuckle, Snorlax, Mew, Blastoise, Sableye, Umbreon, Parasect, Ludicolo, Mr. Mime, Breloom, Jumpluff, Quagsire, Nosepass, Shedinja...I think thats most of my favorites.) |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 23, 2005 16:49:51 GMT -5
I tend to adapt my list of favourites to accomodate ones with nifty strategies behind them. That's why Octillery managed to sneak onto my GSC team  |
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Post by Flip on Jul 23, 2005 21:36:17 GMT -5
Octillery, strangely, has a higher Attack base stat than Special. Go figure Actually, he has very similar base stats to Blaziken, almost exact copies. Only, Octillery has less weaknesses (poor chicken  ), and can make use of Ice Beam. |
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Post by Mimtendo on Jul 24, 2005 7:28:14 GMT -5
Pokemon screwed nintendo and left them with that kiddy image
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Post by Flip on Jul 24, 2005 10:10:26 GMT -5
Pokemon screwed nintendo and left them with that kiddy image According to Shiggy-san himself, actually, it was all the Mario Party games and spinoff titles on the N64. Yeah, shove that in your pipe and smoke it |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 24, 2005 10:45:31 GMT -5
Pokemon screwed nintendo and left them with that kiddy image Post anything irritating one more time (including multiple posts) and you are banned. Kapeesh? |
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Post by kirbychu on Jul 24, 2005 15:19:01 GMT -5
Pokemon screwed nintendo and left them with that kiddy image I know this is off-topic, but... Pokémon ain't all that kiddy. The animé is fairly dark at times (the first movie, for instance) and Pokémon Colosseum was also generally a dark game. Pokémon Tower? Team Rocket killed the Marowak for protecting her children? Then went on to slaughter the children too? Dark. |
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Post by Sqrt2 on Jul 24, 2005 15:46:36 GMT -5
In my opinion, GSC>RBY>FRLG>RSE because the pokemon abilities took all the fun out battles.
Especially since I get a kick out of earthquaking my brother's weezing even though it's floating in mid-air.
And the fact that in a 2vs2 battle I always end up earthquaking one of my electric pokemon (for some particular reason).
Oh, and Shedinja is very cheap
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), and can make use of Ice Beam.
