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Post by Smashchu on Apr 4, 2006 18:41:40 GMT -5
Srry to keep makibng new post. Im asking is this game 2nd party or 3rd?
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Post by Nester the Lark on Apr 4, 2006 22:11:35 GMT -5
Well, it was developed by Q Entertainment, but it was published first party by Nintendo.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 5, 2006 3:00:55 GMT -5
It's third-party. Q! Entertainment is a third party company, and the publishing rights in the US and Europe were granted to Nintendo. In Japan it is published by Bandai.
It's one of those anomalies. Games only published in certain regions by Nintendo. If I could scrap them all then I would... but then my coverage would be incomplete.
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Post by Nester the Lark on Apr 5, 2006 18:48:46 GMT -5
That's confusing. Does first/second/third party pertain to developer or publisher?
If, say, Nintendo develops a game (and obviously publishes it), then it's first party.
If some other developer that is partially owned by Nintendo develops a game, then it's second party? (I guess it doesn't matter whether it was published by Nintendo or the developer [i.e. Rare].)
If an independent developer, not owned by Nintendo in any way, creates a game exclusively for a Nintendo system, and Nintendo publishes it, then it's third party? Does that make DDR: Mario Mix (developed by Konami) a third party game?
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 6, 2006 3:28:10 GMT -5
That's not how I define it... here is the ultimate lowdown...
First Party
Easy. Nintendo developed and published the game.
eg. Mario Kart DS, Yoshi Touch & Go, Super Mario 64 DS
Second Party
For all intents and purposes, this should be treated the same as first party, only the game was developed by an external company, and published by Nintendo in ALL territories.
eg. Pokémon Dash, Another Code, Polarium
Third Party
An external company developed the game, and an external company published the game. This is also easy... these are the games Nintendo Database does not cover.
eg. Bubble Bobble Revolution, Pac & Roll
Licensed to Nintendo
This is the tricky "fourth" option. An external company developed the game, and an external company published the game in SOME regions, and Nintendo published the game in other regions. The game is usually noted as "licensed to Nintendo" in the copyrights.
eg. Meteos
Other...
It doesn't get easier after the fourth option. What about games developed by Nintendo but published by another company? Ridge Racer DS, anyone?
I work on a game-to-game basis, not on a company-to-company basis. So Banjo-Kazooie on the N64 is still considered (by me) to be a second party game.
The biggest problem for me is not knowing for certain which licenses are owned by Nintendo or not. For instance, do they still have the rights to Blast Corps or not? Do they own or half-own the rights to, say, Kuru Kuru Kururin? What about other second-party games? What I need is a resource where I can find out what copyrights and trade marks have been registered in Nintendo's name. Then I'll be so much more certain about the status of games and franchises. Anyone got any clues as to where I might find this kind of information on the nettyweb?
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Post by nocturnal YL on Apr 6, 2006 3:46:27 GMT -5
gashaponwars.com/Though you cannot find any info about this game being Nintendo-co-developed, it is once posted in the news page of ww.nintendo.co.jp that Nintendo did help on development of this game.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 6, 2006 7:00:06 GMT -5
Are you sure about that one? It's the first I've heard of it. Are you sure you're not getting it confused with the SD Gundam Gashapon Wars Famicom Mini game?
There was a Gamecube golf game that I assumed was going to be published by Nintendo a while ago, as Nintendo seemed to have a hand in the development, but instead Seta Corp published it.
I wonder why that happened.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Apr 6, 2006 12:10:28 GMT -5
I did see that being announced in Nintendo's website, but the announcement was taken away from the news page already. It is said that Nintendo was to co-develop this game, and will be published by Bandai. ...............wait. I found it. [2005年9月8日発表] バンダイと任天堂 初の共同開発ゲームソフトが登場 「ＳＤガンダム ガシャポンウォーズ」今冬発売 www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/news/050908.htmlYay! Now this is the proof! |
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Post by Saim on Apr 12, 2006 20:03:07 GMT -5
That's not how I define it... here is the ultimate lowdown... First PartyEasy. Nintendo developed and published the game. eg. Mario Kart DS, Yoshi Touch & Go, Super Mario 64 DS Second PartyFor all intents and purposes, this should be treated the same as first party, only the game was developed by an external company, and published by Nintendo in ALL territories. eg. Pokémon Dash, Another Code, Polarium Third PartyAn external company developed the game, and an external company published the game. This is also easy... these are the games Nintendo Database does not cover. eg. Bubble Bobble Revolution, Pac & Roll Licensed to NintendoThis is the tricky "fourth" option. An external company developed the game, and an external company published the game in SOME regions, and Nintendo published the game in other regions. The game is usually noted as "licensed to Nintendo" in the copyrights. eg. Meteos Other...It doesn't get easier after the fourth option. What about games developed by Nintendo but published by another company? Ridge Racer DS, anyone? I work on a game-to-game basis, not on a company-to-company basis. So Banjo-Kazooie on the N64 is still considered (by me) to be a second party game. The biggest problem for me is not knowing for certain which licenses are owned by Nintendo or not. For instance, do they still have the rights to Blast Corps or not? Do they own or half-own the rights to, say, Kuru Kuru Kururin? What about other second-party games? What I need is a resource where I can find out what copyrights and trade marks have been registered in Nintendo's name. Then I'll be so much more certain about the status of games and franchises. Anyone got any clues as to where I might find this kind of information on the nettyweb? That's not how I define it. First PartyThe copyright of the game is owned by Nintendo, or one of it's subsidiaries. e.g.: StarFox Assault, Super Princess Peach Second Party Nintendo or one of it's subsidiaries shares the license with a third-party developer. e.g.: Chibi Robo!, Earthbound Third Party Not owned by Nintendo, but can be published or co-developed by them. e.g.: Disney's Magical Mirror Starring Mickey Mouse, NBA Courtside 2002 This is all so confusing  |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Apr 12, 2006 20:42:48 GMT -5
Third Party Not owned by Nintendo, but can be published or co-developed by them. e.g.: Disney's Magical Mirror Starring Mickey Mouse, NBA Courtside 2002 This is all so confusing But then where do Resident Evil 4 and Lego Star Wars go? |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 13, 2006 3:28:27 GMT -5
Saimdusan, even as far as the official definition goes, yours is wrong. Besides... Skip isn't a Nintendo subsidiary.
First-, second- and third-party games are simply divisions in publishing and license ownership rights.
1st - Owned and published by Nintendo
2nd - Co-owned by Nintendo and another company, and published by Nintendo
3rd - Owned and published by another company
As you can see, that doesn't fix all of the holes I have pointed out, such as multi-region publishing anomalies. But that's the official definition.
First-, second- and third-party companies are relationships to the console manufacturer.
1st. - Nintendo
2nd - Financial relationship with Nintendo
3rd - No financial relationship with Nintendo
But this too creates problems. What of HAL Laboratory, who is a gleaming example of a second-party, but who has no financial relationship with Nintendo? And Game Freak, Eighting? Etc...
The two lists are incompatible as well. Pokemon is most definitely a second-party game, but Game Freak is still a third-party developer. Donkey Konga is developed by third-party Namco, but the ownership and publishing rights make it 100% a first-party game.
So my list is there to iron out these issues somewhat. I am constantly revising it as well.
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Post by Saim on Apr 14, 2006 0:57:36 GMT -5
Third Party Not owned by Nintendo, but can be published or co-developed by them. e.g.: Disney's Magical Mirror Starring Mickey Mouse, NBA Courtside 2002 This is all so confusing But then where do Resident Evil 4 and Lego Star Wars go? Aren't they both 3rd? As far as I know, RE is owned by Capcom, and StarWars by .... I dunno but it's definately not owned by Nintendo. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 14, 2006 6:01:50 GMT -5
Third-party games AREN'T owned by Nintendo... so Resident Evil 4 and Lego Star Wars ARE third-party games.
But the difference is that your original definition included games that Nintendo has publishing rights for, whereas that isn't true of third-party games.
NBA Courtside 2002 doesn't deserve to be considered a third-party game at all - the license belongs to a third-party (in this case, the MLBPA), but the game was developed by a second-party and published by a first-party.
Clearly, Nintendo published the games in your third-party list, but not most third-party games (eg. Resident Evil 4), hence the confusion.
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Apr 15, 2006 7:57:25 GMT -5
Yeah, what he said.
Its all so crazy.
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