PS3 Controller Discussion

[Dances in Undergarments]

amazingeee said:

dancesinunderwear said:

I assume you mean Sony in the first line there, otherwise I'm really confused.

"No one can say that E3 looks bad for the future of Nintendo."

Better? I think I had a few too many negatives before.

Ahhh... gotcha.

That is indeed true - you certainly can't say that having a good E3 is a bad thing.

[kirbychu]

I'd just like to point out something, while we're talking about console popularity... in a recent poll at GameFAQs (since E3) they asked "Which of the next-gen consoles are you going to buy?", or something along those lines. The choices were... well, basically any combination of PS3, 360 and/or Wii. First place, by a wide margin, was "Just a Wii".

[amazingeee]

www.gamefaqs.com/poll/list.html

Actually, Nintendo looks very good in all of those polls.^^^

[Smashchu]

Nintendo's future looks good
Also I looked at the pS3 poll and about 58% aren't getting a PS3. Must be a kick in the pants for Sony. 15% they would if it has good games, but from what I've seen I doubt they'll be great.

[Dances in Undergarments]

We need to once again remember that the internet is NOT an accurate predictor of the actual sales trends, but gamefaqs is certainly alot less mainstream, and therefore, more than likely a more accurate base to predict on, then other gaming sites.

However the future is looking very nice for the Big N. Very, very nice.

[Smashchu]

dancesinunderwear said:

We need to once again remember that the internet is NOT an accurate predictor of the actual sales trends, but gamefaqs is certainly alot less mainstream, and therefore, more than likely a more accurate base to predict on, then other gaming sites.

Thats probobly true. I still think Nintendo will do well though. I wonder will the PS3 do as badly as I though or will it soar(maybe not so much the second one).

[amazingeee]

Lets put it this way... I think PS3 will do better than Gamecube did...

On the other hand, Sony has been completed mismanaged over the last couple of years, and everything about their PS3 and PSP plan just looks stupid right now. I mean, c'mon. Who wants to pay for a Blu-Ray DVD player in their Playstation?

[Fryguy64]

Sony's biggest obstacle will be the price. As has been said, they have traditionally made a loss on the console, sold in huge numbers until the chip prices come down and the system becomes profitable again. But whereas the PSX and PS2 had "typical" price points that led to a loss and eventually a gain, Sony is going to have to sell an awful lot of $600 consoles.

Now, I don't know about the seething gamer public, but last I checked, very few people part with $600 gladly. And that's just for the machine. What about the HD television to view it all in pristine clarity? The games, which will be more expensive? The no doubt expensive hardware? Unless the $600 console is bundled with a free game, two controllers and any other additional hardware required, then you're actually looking at more like $700 to start with.

Their competition currently lies with Microsoft. The X-Box has gained a lot of popularity in the US and Europe in recent years, with a steady reputation and an as-yet-unrivalled online scene. Microsoft is still dedicated to cracking the Japanese market, although in this I suspect they will fail. Microsoft has a lucrative opportunity here, and it would be a shame if they squandered this chance to overtake Sony in the Western markets. And by the time the PS3 is out, there is every chance that the X-Box 360 will have dropped in price as well.

Where does Nintendo fit into all this? As the cheap, top-quality alternative. I still love the quote by Microsoft's Peter Moore that gamers could buy a 360 and a Wii for less than a PS3, so why not?

As for the other points brought up in this topic:

I imagine Sony would like to be the only console manufacturer. I am often staggered at their brashness and contempt for the consumer, and I hope to see their videogame wing crumble because of it. Sony definitely would like to see Nintendo out of the console market.

Microsoft, on the other hand, I don't believe would. I suspect Microsoft actually desires to have Nintendo AS its own console wing. Developers of the X-Box 3 and its software.

Nintendo must be confident in its plans.

[Samus ZERO]

Initially I wanted a PS3 because, as you probably well know, im more of a multi-format gamer than having any favourites.

As the months progressed though, iv realised that although there are some good aspects to the console, they definitely do not outweigh the bad points. The price is the biggest thing for me, I can't afford £30 let alone £400 (or whatever the UK price will be). I probably won't get a PS3 for many years.

As for the Wii, iv really got excited about it in the last few weeks, especially after E3 and the SSBB announcement (im a great SSB fan) ;D - So to be honest, a Wii is definetly on the cards.

As for the PS3 controller, im disappointed that Sony have opted for the traditional design without the rumble feature, but to be honest iv lost interest.

[amazingeee]

Every wing of Sony is brash and displays contempt for the consumer. They were putting so much anti-piracy software on their CDs that it was opening people's computers up to viruses. With this Blu-Ray thing, they seem to be being brash just for the sake of it, as HD-DVD is the only next gen DVD format which has moved ANY units, and thats not even in the tens of thousands yet. But Sony's corporate plan dictates that PS3s must have Blu-Ray DVD players. With the PSP, they included that DVD player, but it turns out very few people wanted to buy special DVDs that can only be played on a 4 inch screen and would rather just buy a portable DVD player. Their movie studio has been inconsistent as well, only finishing well in the year end tallies when they have a mega-hit like Spiderman. The company as a whole has only reported minimal growth over the past few years. They've really painted themselves as a bunch of bumbling idiots bent on world domination. Now some say the fate of the whole company is going to rest with the PS3, and if thats the case, then they may be in trouble indeed.

[Nester the Lark]

Sony has never had good luck with their own proprietary formats, and the problem with Blu-ray is that they insist it be the only format supported by next-gen disc players. There was one company that planned to create a player that was compatible with both Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs, but they found that the licensing agreement from Sony prevented them from including the ability to play HD-DVDs in the same machine as Blue-ray discs.

Sony has set up another all-or-nothing scenario for themselves, and more often than not, it's ended up nothing. I thought Howard Stringer was supposed to be turning the company around.

[amazingeee]

The other thing about the Blu-Ray, is that the $499 PS3 is not compatable with a new anti-piracy standard which will be implimented on all Hi-Def DVDs over the next few years. Meaning that a Blu-Ray DVD purchased in say 2008 will not play in high definition on the $499 model. That damn DVD player is a key reason the machine costs so much in the first place, it will for most people be a worthless feature until Hi-Def becomes standard, and by the time it does become standard, only the $599 PS3 will support it. Sony are asking for a class-action suit.

[Fryguy64]

Basically, it boils down to Sony trying to make the video market fit the same business model as videogames - a single system (or a single company's systems) that have exclusive rights to a certain kind of DVD.

It's not new. Sony tried the same thing with Betamax way back when. As we all know, the much more "freely accessible" VHS format won that war. Now UMD movies are failing spectacularly (and so rendering one of the PSP's multimedia selling points obsolete) and unless Sony can pull off Blu-Ray against HD-DVD (and it's looking increasingly unlikely) then the PS3 will also lose one of its selling-points.

I was interested to read speculation that Microsoft - while supporting the HD-DVD format, would actually like to see both formats fail. They have big plans for downloadable content, y'see... games, music and movies will all be downloadable. To me, this still seems a little way off, but it also seems to be much more likely to succeed within the next five years.

Hell, Apple's done music already. Microsoft and Nintendo are doing games. If anyone can pull off movies as well, I expect Microsoft has the infrastructure and the ability to get there first. I expect this to be the big thing by the time the next-next-gen consoles roll around.

Sony can keep trying to fit the restrictive videogame business model around the extensive video market, but somehow I don't see it succeeding. Sony may have their fingers in a lot of pies, but those fingers are encrusted with bile, and now the pies are all pukey. Nobody wants to buy a puke pie.

[Nester the Lark]

admin said:

I was interested to read speculation that Microsoft - while supporting the HD-DVD format, would actually like to see both formats fail. They have big plans for downloadable content, y'see... games, music and movies will all be downloadable. To me, this still seems a little way off, but it also seems to be much more likely to succeed within the next five years.

Hell, Apple's done music already. Microsoft and Nintendo are doing games. If anyone can pull off movies as well, I expect Microsoft has the infrastructure and the ability to get there first. I expect this to be the big thing by the time the next-next-gen consoles roll around.

So, you think that gaming consoles in the next next generation will follow the same design as Infinium Labs' vaporous Phantom console? No external media storage, everything is simply downloaded and stored in an internal memory?

[amazingeee]

Corey, I think we are approaching an age when all media will be downloaded. People don't realize, but the day when we will be talking about PC harddrives in terabytes is right around the corner, and when that day comes, storing giants catalogues of movies and games becomes both realistic and desirable. And the model has already been set with iTunes, and that is already branching to video.