|
|
Post by Andronicus on Jun 6, 2005 5:11:01 GMT -5
Good point.
However, Zelda(TP) seems to be a very long and epic game.
And, it is a Nintendo game.
I think that Nintendo wants to mkae these "pick up and play" games, to cater for the non-"gamer" gamer.
I assume they'll use a combination of the Mario-verse, as well as some of these "new franchises" we've heard mention of to deliver such games.
However, I don't see the Zelda series ever going to "pick up and play" status.
It's an epic series, and I think Nintendo will continue with such games alongside the shorter games.
And, like you said, Metroid (which is for Nintendo, but developed by Retro) will most likely stay epic as well.
So, in the end, they will probably strike a balance.
The comments from Miyamoto suggest to me that Nintendo simply wants to make more simple games, and not necessarily stop making the epic stuff.
And who knows, we might get a new epic franchise with the new system as well... but maybe not.
In the end, I'ma gamer who doesn't have a lot of time for video games like I used to.
As such, I love having portable Mario pllatformers for those quick gaming sessions. But, an epic game is still great - in most people's cases it might take a few weeks to knock over, and with my schedule that would be a few months or more.
A balance is good, and I hope a balance is what we get.
I could be wrong though...
But, Metroid Prime 3 is said to be part of the "big things" that Nintendo claim to be planning for the Metroid series.
(This, of course, has re-sparked my interest in the franchise, and I am now considering starting a Metroid collection).
Those are my thoughts.
End.
;D
|
|
|
|
Post by Fryguy64 on Jun 6, 2005 8:16:44 GMT -5
The balance must be hit. It's all well and good attracting people with pick-up-and-play games, but how long can such a scheme work?
Look at the original Game Boy - a perfect example of pick-up-and-play gaming. Tetris was the system's killer app, and it became a haven for puzzlers and the like. Many of the games developed for it were made to be played in small chunks.
But even though everyone had a Game Boy, look at the drop off in software support in the years leading up to 1996. Then what happened? Pokemon happened - a game designed to absorb you for hours and hours, even though it was possible to play in bitesize chunks. The face of the system changed, and software support skyrocketed once again.
If going bitesize means I'm going to go for weeks at a time without playing a console because all of the games are so short I finish them in a couple of evenings then someone has failed. My DS has been suffering this, and my Gamecube is only just starting to get some serious attention again after going unloved for ages.
Bitesize games should be used to attract new gamers, and epic titles should be used to impress them and keep them. After all, there is a difference between enjoying a game and loving one. I enjoy Yoshi Touch & Go, but I love Yoshi's Island. I enjoy Donkey Konga, but I love Donkey Kong Country. If a player loves a game then they become a gamer... and Nintendo should be in the business of making new gamers.
|
|
|
|
Post by Andronicus on Jun 6, 2005 19:48:32 GMT -5
Couldn't agree with you more Fryguy.
The short games are fun, but they can potentially get old.
But, like I said, I'm pretty sure Zelda and Metroid will always have that epic element.
I mean, how else could they do Zelda and Metroid?
Well, let's not go there - there is always some way to ruin a good thing, so let's hope the god things aren't ruined, hey?
;D
|
|
|
|
Post by Fryguy64 on Jun 7, 2005 2:55:58 GMT -5
*points at Metroid Pinball* Good God, I hope that's not as disappointing as Super Mario Ball...  |
|
|
|
Post by Dances in Undergarments on Jun 7, 2005 6:20:25 GMT -5
Oh sure, you can't take away the epicness from Zelda, can you? ... If you ignore the ever expanding 4 Swords series, that is. And Metroid not only has Pinball, but the multiplayer Hunters. Nintendo has already began to change their games to become more pick-up-and-playable. Remember when Metroid was about a lone bounty hunter trapped with pretty much no assistance? Well, they changed that slightly in Metroid Fusion. But, eh, whatever, it's still okay, right? But now there are what, 4 Samuses (I guess thats the plural of Samus) running around. How did that happen? Hey, wait a minute.... theres four Links now, too.
Thankfully, these games exist as a sort of side=project to the "real" series. But what about the "real" series that are getting knocked away? For every nice, long, Pokemon RPG such as R/B/Y, G/S/C, and R/s/E there is a Pokemon Snap, a Pokeomn Channel and a Hey You, Pikachu!. Then look at the Mario series... for every long Mario released recently (I'm tlaking about the platformers and the rpgs mainly), theres a kart, a sports spinoff and about 50,000 parties. The problem is that these don't seem to sit alongside the "real" games, they seem to be replacing them. Sure, I love the Mario spinoffs (with the exception of the parties, and even they are somewhat good), but I love the "real" games more.
At this rate, will your collection in ten years time feature games that are quite similar to current system games like Metroid Prime 1 and 2, Metroid Fusion, Metroid Zero Mission, Zelda: Wind Waker, Zelda: Twilight Princess, Zelda: Minish Cap and Zelda: A Link to the Past? Or is it more likely to contain Metroid Pinball, Metroid Hunters, Metroid Tilt n' Tumble, Metroid Football, Zelda Four Swords, Zelda Tennis, Zelda Tetris and Dance Dance Revolution: Zelda Mix? Unofrtunately the second actually seems more likely.
|
|
|
|
Post by Fryguy64 on Jun 7, 2005 8:47:15 GMT -5
Au contraire!
Four Swords is easily explained thanks to the Four Sword. Not only that, but the levels in Four Sword Adventures are as excellent as those in other Zelda games. And lets not forget how even these spinoffs can inspire the wonderful storyline of a REAL Zelda game *hugs Minish Cap to bits*
As for Metroid... they're not all Samus now. They are all different bounty hunters with differing abilities. Not the case in MP2's multiplayer, I'm sure... but the MPH game has changed quite a bit since the demo version.
|
|
|
|
Post by Hiker of Games on Jun 7, 2005 8:56:39 GMT -5
Really? Where did you hear that about Hunters? Different bounty hunters, now that's interesting.
I wouldn't give the Pinball thing too much worry. Nintendo just likes to Pinball-ize everything. In the old days they used to make pinball tables (real ones) based off movies and such. This is basically the same thing.
And let's not forget that Wario Ware is one of the greatest 'Pick-Me-Up' game ever. Though they haven't really put a lot of effort into puzzle games... On that note, it'd be nice to see a compilation of games like Dr. Mario, Wrecking Crew '98, Yoshi Cookie, Wario Woods, and games like that.
|
|
|
|
Post by Fryguy64 on Jun 7, 2005 14:43:31 GMT -5
I read it in a couple of places... maybe an IGN preview, the official site (post-E3) and Nintendo Magazine UK (which I still buy despite it being rubbish).
Not sure about your pinball-tables-based-on-movies thing. First I've heard of it.
|
|
|
|
Post by Hiker of Games on Jun 7, 2005 15:57:53 GMT -5
You don't see them much anymore, but back in the day they were in theatres, arcades, and stuch. You'll see them still ocassionally in theatres and pizza places though. At least around here.
|
|
|
|
Post by Xeno82 on Jun 7, 2005 20:20:18 GMT -5
Really? Where did you hear that about Hunters? Different bounty hunters, now that's interesting. Yeah, the most recent Nintendo Power even contains a poster featuring the new bounty hunters. |
|
|
|
Post by Andronicus on Jun 8, 2005 1:51:56 GMT -5
Yeah Xeno82, those new bounty hunters look kinda cool.
I like the idea of expanding the Metroid universe to include other characters that are like Samus.
And even the pinbaqll game looks like it will be a lot of fun.
It looks like a traditional pinball machine (love the good old pinball machines), but with all the crazy Metroid stuff added in.
I'm kinda getting into Metroid now...
;D
Oh, and on the petition.
An article on IGN (new one) has some new stuff on the Revolution.
Not much is given away (read it), but they do say that while Nintendo plans on making a whole lot of new "pick-up-and-play" games, the epic games like Zelda will still be there, so don't worry.
;D
|
|
|
|
Post by Dances in Undergarments on Jun 8, 2005 2:19:45 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with Metroid Pinball, Metroid Hunters or Four Swords either, just as long as they remain as side projects and the real games still get made.
|
|
|
|
Post by Andronicus on Jun 8, 2005 8:24:35 GMT -5
Unlike what's been happening to the Super Mario series, hey?  "When spin-offs go bad" Only on Fox! ;D Seriously though, I agree that the side-stuffs should stay just that... side-stuffs. Although, Hunters looks like it might be a proper game with a single-player mode, so it's not completely spun-off, so to speak. But I get what youre saying. |
|
|
|
Post by Dances in Undergarments on Jun 9, 2005 6:16:42 GMT -5
"When spin-offs go bad" Only on Fox! ;D They'll buy anything! Yeah, that is happening with the Mario series, but I like the Mario spinoffs. I mainly referring to games like Pokemon. "Oh, we can't make a 3D Pokemon MMORPG, because we're too busy slapping something together with a Pikachu racing a Meowth. Then we gotta get to work on the sequel to 'Hey You, Pikachu!', titled 'Hey You, Mewtwo!'. Oh, and then we gotta slap together another Gamecube storage system. But maybe afterwards we could..... or, better yet, well make a game where Pikachu races Clefairy on Rollerskates!" |
|
|
|
Post by Andronicus on Jun 9, 2005 6:29:44 GMT -5
Heh... ;D Not all that familiar with Pokemon, but I get ya. And, yes, I know you're a fan of the Mario spin-offs, and that's all cool. I don't like to see Zelda and Metroid spin-offs though... These franchises seem to me to be too defined to be spun-off. The FS spin-off series just happened to turn out to be quite good, but I'd like to see Nintendo turn back to the core Zelda games (like TP). And Metroid - my next collection endeavour - the main 2D series is golden, and the Prime sub-series looks brilliant, but the pinball game seems out of place. That said, it looks good, and maybe it'll work out... who knows? But with Mario - if it's a Super Mario platformer, I'll have it, or a Mario RPG, then I'll also have it. Oh, and throw in Luigi's Mansion for good measure (but that's as far as I'll go with the spin-offs)... End! ;D |
|
