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Post by Phil Bond on Sept 4, 2007 8:02:54 GMT -5
In the last second of the 100% completion ending: that ship. Were we supposed to recognize it? Is it following Samus? The other two games had much shorter final endings for 100%, but at least you had a strong idea of what you were looking at. I don't know why I'm supposed to care about this ship. To my eyes, it didn't look familiar nor sinister.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Sept 4, 2007 8:29:05 GMT -5
*cheekily watches videos without playing the game*
Looks a little bit like a Metroid-shaped ship with those four claws. A hint that the Metroid Prime/Dark Samus isn't yet finished-off, perhaps?
Or a new villain for a new Metroid game in the future.
Damn, I really hoped this game would wind up the trilogy and segue neatly into Metroid II.
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Post by TV Eye on Sept 4, 2007 15:29:16 GMT -5
That ship actually belongs to one of the Hunters in MPH, hold on, I'll get proof... EDIT It belongs to the hunter, Sylux. It says so at the end of his article. |
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Post by Phil Bond on Sept 5, 2007 3:30:45 GMT -5
Although that isn't exactly proof, it is a start. Thank you.
The article doesn't say it's Sylux' ship, though. It says it looks like a "next-gen" version of his ship. The same article also says that his ship was a stolen federation prototype, so the ship in this ending may be an actual federation ship derived from that prototype. And this is all assuming the Wiki article is correct. (And now I'm rewriting it for poor phrasing, despite not being able to attest to this visual similarity.)
Hunters takes place between Prime 2 and 3, right? They never mention the Alimbic System in Prime 3, but the fact that it was yet a third civilization devastated by a force that came out of a meteor was what tipped me off to the connection between the whole Prime series, and led me to correctly predict the plot of Prime 3.
I thought the whole "Leviathan" thing was strange. Tallon IV, Aether and the Alimbic System were all struck by such different malicious meteors, but in Prime 3 we see no less than 5 superficially identical "leviathans" with a great degree of evident design intelligence in them. Maybe their similarity is just due to them being the current model that Phaaze was throwing out at the time, but I think more visual variety in the Leviathans would have made them more believably organic.
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Post by Hiker of Games on Sept 6, 2007 13:32:59 GMT -5
Both Aether and Tallon IV were hit fifty years prior to the MP3. The Phazon had a different effect on each planet, most notably on Aether where it had an unusual effect with Aether's Energy Controllers and split the world in two.
The Alimbic System was hit at an unspecified date... but I'd venture to say it was around the same time as those two. We never see any signs of Phazon, but it's possible the Alimbics (who operated a very large portion of space compared to the Chozo and Luminoth) were able to eliminate the Phazon, but not eliminate Gorea, who they had to seal away.
The Pirate Homeworld seems to have been the first target, following Dark Samus's discovery of Phaaze. This happened about five months before the events of MP3.
Norion, Bryyo, and Elysia were the next targets. Unlike the first three impacts that were done by Phaaze, these three were selected by Dark Samus as a means of crippling the Federation. The hunters were able to prevent Norion from being hit (though apparently a lot of the Phazon rained down on the planet), Bryyo and Elysia was struck at the same time. The Leviathan on Elysia was supposed to take out Steamtown too, but hit the surface instead.
That's a total of seven Leviathans that were used... there was another one in orbit around the Pirate Homeworld that the Federation uses. On Phaaze, you kill an 'infant' Leviathan while it's still within the 'womb'. Abortion Powers, go!
Edit: I'd venture to say the Alimbic System was hit first. The Chozo were aware of a living planet centuries before Tallon IV was hit. Gorea had the potential to become a guiding force like Dark Samus was, but was sealed and captured before it could continue to spread Phaaze's influence. In the centuries following this, the Phazon could have been absorbed by surviving wildlife and eventually all but dissipated.
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Post by Sqrt2 on Sept 7, 2007 3:11:51 GMT -5
The article doesn't say it's Sylux' ship, though. It says it looks like a "next-gen" version of his ship. The same article also says that his ship was a stolen federation prototype, so the ship in this ending may be an actual federation ship derived from that prototype. I REALLY want to know why Samus is without her own ship! It's not broken (In MP2, if you scan her ship, it says it is undergoing auto-repair), so was it stolen or something? |
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Post by Hiker of Games on Sept 7, 2007 7:41:17 GMT -5
I think Retro is intentionally setting theirselves up to do some more games pre-Metroid 2. Which is a darn shame, cut I'd really like to see some post-Fusion stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2007 10:01:52 GMT -5
The article doesn't say it's Sylux' ship, though. It says it looks like a "next-gen" version of his ship. The same article also says that his ship was a stolen federation prototype, so the ship in this ending may be an actual federation ship derived from that prototype. I REALLY want to know why Samus is without her own ship! It's not broken (In MP2, if you scan her ship, it says it is undergoing auto-repair), so was it stolen or something? I think that's more of an in-joke. Samus' ship has never been the same in any two versions of a Metroid game--even the ship she steals at the end of Zero Mission is completely different from the one she had in Metroid II. Fusion ramps it up by having a new ship at the beginning of the game, which gets destroyed and replaced with the Federation ship. Retro is taking it a step further and changing the shape of Samus' Gunship with each installment. Why, in the first Prime, the Gunship never touches the ground--but in Prime 3, it has crazy-assed landing gear! |
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Post by Hiker of Games on Sept 7, 2007 12:55:07 GMT -5
I think we know what Samus spends all her bounty hunter money on.
Ghor feeds the poor.
Samus buys a new Gunship. Women, eh?
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Post by Phil Bond on Sept 7, 2007 22:40:07 GMT -5
I REALLY want to know why Samus is without her own ship! It's not broken (In MP2, if you scan her ship, it says it is undergoing auto-repair), so was it stolen or something? I think that's more of an in-joke. Samus' ship has never been the same in any two versions of a Metroid game--even the ship she steals at the end of Zero Mission is completely different from the one she had in Metroid II. Fusion ramps it up by having a new ship at the beginning of the game, which gets destroyed and replaced with the Federation ship. Retro is taking it a step further and changing the shape of Samus' Gunship with each installment. Why, in the first Prime, the Gunship never touches the ground--but in Prime 3, it has crazy-assed landing gear! Never been the same twice? She has the same exact ship in Prime 2, Metroid II, Metroid 3 and the opening scene of Metroid IV. She also has the exact same ship between both Prime 1 and Hunters, which appears to just be that other, more prevalent ship, before it got the dome-shaped hover pods. |
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Post by Phil Bond on Sept 8, 2007 6:20:44 GMT -5
Okay, I think we've adequately covered the ship topic, and the lack of resolution to be found there. Now to answer a question from another thread:
Prime 3 takes place firmly between Prime 2 and regular Metroid II. As for the Mother Brain, she does not make an appearance, though there are multiple Aurora computers. The inevitable boss fight is with a gender-masculine Aurora that's been stolen from a GF capitol ship, mutated by Phazon, and assimilated by Dark Samus (it laughs like Ganondorf). The inference you're supposed to draw from Prime 3 is that "Mother Brain" was an Aurora employed by the Space Pirates, and the Aurora in Super Metroid (which has yet to happen) is another Aurora with elaborate and unusual self-defense capabilities. If the two known Zebesian Auroras are extraordinary in some way, that remains to be seen, but it's just as easy to believe they were totally standard. All Auroras seem to be sentient, and creepy, and morally questionable even when they ostensibly serve the "good guys."
It's interesting to wonder whether the Space Pirates even knew what that first Mother Brain was, exactly, because they assaulted the Valhalla to steal one without for Dark Samus without themselves seeming to place much value on it. On the other hand, there's the evidence that they were much more intelligent before the dark hunter "bewitched" them.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Sept 8, 2007 8:20:41 GMT -5
As your mission in the original Metroid (Zero Mission) is to infiltrate the Space Pirate base and destroy their Mother Brain, I'm guessing the knowledge of the Aurora was fairly well established by that point.
Not having played Metroid Prime 3 yet, how comfortably does it segue into Metroid II? If it's definitely a direct prequel, is it possible we will be receiving a Metroid II remake after all (Metroid Dread?) and that extended ending sequence has something to do with it?
So many questions. And yet the Metroid universe gets deeper and deeper.
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Post by TV Eye on Sept 8, 2007 8:51:08 GMT -5
So many questions. And yet the Metroid universe gets deeper and deeper. Deeper than the Zelda universe?! Looks like people will abandon Hyrule timelines, and start doin Metroid ones! |
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Post by Hiker of Games on Sept 8, 2007 9:17:56 GMT -5
Mother Brain might be something only the High Command knows of and has access to. Lower level grunts might know nothing about it (and besides, Mother Brain would've still been in bad sorts since Zero Mission).
It doesn't segue into Metroid II at all, really.
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Post by Phil Bond on Sept 8, 2007 15:00:50 GMT -5
Well, there was that room on the pirate home world where they'd stored metroid species from several known worlds. If Samus is gearing up to exterminate all metroids, the data in that room would've been a start. Wasn't that the first chronological mention of Planet SR388?
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