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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2007 8:19:12 GMT -5
Get your mind out of the gutter, Fry. Why do you even ponder things like that? You're almost as bad as the Yaoi fangirls that make up 90% of DeviantART's population. Fixed. EDIT: Uh, I don't really have much to add since I haven't played STSR yet. But since I haven't been a big fan of Sonic ever since Sonic Adventure 2, I don't think I'd like the game simply because I'm so disenchanted. It's kind of sad that I consider Sonic's first real soiree into 3D his best one. |
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Post by Manspeed on Mar 24, 2007 10:12:53 GMT -5
I guess I haven't been to DeviantART often enough. I also feel the same way as you when it comes to Sonic in 3D, Tei.
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Post by Smashchu on Mar 24, 2007 11:47:25 GMT -5
Get your mind out of the gutter, Fry. Why do you even ponder things like that? You're almost as bad as the Yaoi fangirls that make up 90% of DeviantART's population. Fixed. EDIT: Uh, I don't really have much to add since I haven't played STSR yet. But since I haven't been a big fan of Sonic ever since Sonic Adventure 2, I don't think I'd like the game simply because I'm so disenchanted. It's kind of sad that I consider Sonic's first real soiree into 3D his best one. I am similar. All other games after SA2 blow. I'm still not sure to know if anyone here would like it. I'd hate to recommend a game and have everyone hate it. But, it's still a good rental. Most critics(I should use that vs reviewers) game it average, which usually mean it's a good rental, but not a good buy. |
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Post by kirbychu on Mar 24, 2007 12:19:59 GMT -5
SatSR's average ranking is 71%, which is certainly above average, but still... SA1 was definately the best 3D Sonic game. But the others, though not great, didn't outright suck. They just don't particularly deserve to be played through more than once. |
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Post by Smashchu on Mar 24, 2007 13:19:31 GMT -5
The thing was, it was 82% a while back. Almost wonder if other jumped on a "Let give average scores too" bandwagon. Not really a conspiricy theory, but it is a bit akward.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Mar 24, 2007 14:01:32 GMT -5
We've already established that most reviewers tend to give 70% for average games. So it's not really that surprising.
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Post by Nester the Lark on Mar 24, 2007 14:42:46 GMT -5
We've already established that most reviewers tend to give 70% for average games. So it's not really that surprising. I wonder if that comes from the other direction as well. I think a lot of gamers tend to becomes a bit elitist. They won't give a game the time of day if it doesn't achieve near-perfect scores, and if a game they do like doesn't reach the upper-most echelons, they complain about bias and band wagoning. Therefore, 70% is perceived as average. So it's not completely in the critic's hands. Frankly, I think Nintendo fans are guilty of this more than anyone. It's another possible reason for the bias against third parties. |
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Post by Smashchu on Mar 24, 2007 17:12:33 GMT -5
We've already established that most reviewers tend to give 70% for average games. So it's not really that surprising. I wonder if that comes from the other direction as well. I think a lot of gamers tend to becomes a bit elitist. They won't give a game the time of day if it doesn't achieve near-perfect scores, and if a game they do like doesn't reach the upper-most echelons, they complain about bias and band wagoning. Therefore, 70% is perceived as average. So it's not completely in the critic's hands. Frankly, I think Nintendo fans are guilty of this more than anyone. It's another possible reason for the bias against third parties. Maybe. I think the two reasons are that we love Nintendo a lot, and the other, is Nintendo games usually get good scores(up in the 80s) so if one gets low, then it's bias. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2007 12:19:01 GMT -5
I am similar. All other games after SA2 blow. I'm counting SA2 as one of the sucktastic games. It's really the one that started the chain. SA2 also set the precedence that define Sonic games of today by continuing the poorer trends started by Sonic Adventure 1, and by kickstarting new ones that Heroes carried along because of SA2. The worst trend they did start, of course, is the inclusion of Shadow...which has spiralled out of control from there, because now we're looking at six different friggin' Hedgehogs: Sonic, Amy, Metal Sonic, Shadow, Silver and Mephiles. The latter three, of course, look like they came from DeviantArtist "fancharacters," and have about as much personality, making them absolutely infuriating to me because I'd rather Sonic Team focused on the characters they already have, rather than making new-and-sucky ones for each installment of the series. I honestly wouldn't care if the entire Sonic universe got reset back to Sonic 3 & Knuckles by this point. Actually, I'd like to see them try that. Take like, five years off from making Sonic games and work on a title where it's just Sonic, Tails and Knuckles. The gameplay between the three isn't that different, there's no story-intensiveness, and Eggman is the only villain. Sure, there are advantages to playing as one particular character--all three may be fast, but Sonic is the fastest, while Tails can fly and swim, and Knuckles can bust through certain walls to make alternate paths for himself--and there's no necessity to beat the game as all three or any one of the three, or whatever. They could seriously do that if they actually, you know, tried. And they'd absolutely have to ditch Sonic '06's "M-preg" Eggman design. Seriously, Sonic Team, WTF. |
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Post by kirbychu on Mar 25, 2007 14:10:27 GMT -5
The worst trend they did start, of course, is the inclusion of Shadow...which has spiralled out of control from there, because now we're looking at six different friggin' Hedgehogs: Sonic, Amy, Metal Sonic, Shadow, Silver and Mephiles. The latter three, of course, look like they came from DeviantArtist "fancharacters," and have about as much personality I disagree completely. Honestly, if they hadn't added any new characters, I certainly would've been tired of the series long, loooong ago. After all, the inclusion of new characters and their abilities is generally all the innovation the Sonic series gets. Besides, they each have more definable personality than 90% of Mario characters. That, and I absolutely adore Yuji Uekawa's artwork and character designs. It's the reason I visit Sonic Channel despite not being able to read it. |
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Post by Manspeed on Mar 25, 2007 14:27:42 GMT -5
It's one thing to have new characters, but it's another thing to have new characters with next to no originality. Seriously, I'd rather they bring back someone like Fang the Sniper. He's a weasel with an airbike and knowledge of firearms. If they wanted to make a Sonic game with gunplay, they could've used him for it instead of crapping out Shadow the Hedgehog. Also, do not get me started on them Babylon Rouges...
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Post by kirbychu on Mar 25, 2007 14:47:14 GMT -5
Are you kidding? The Rogues had more personality than the main cast!  I'd love to see Fang come back too, though. Of all the scrapped characters people whine about, he's the only one who was in the least bit original. |
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Post by Manspeed on Mar 25, 2007 19:05:09 GMT -5
I think the appeal of Mighty, Ray, Bean and Bark is their ambiguity, since there's probably a lot that could be done with them.
Personally, I didn't mind Wave and Storm, but Jet kinda killed it for me.
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Post by Smashchu on Mar 25, 2007 19:31:24 GMT -5
I am similar. All other games after SA2 blow. I'm counting SA2 as one of the sucktastic games. It's really the one that started the chain. SA2 also set the precedence that define Sonic games of today by continuing the poorer trends started by Sonic Adventure 1, and by kickstarting new ones that Heroes carried along because of SA2. The worst trend they did start, of course, is the inclusion of Shadow...which has spiralled out of control from there, because now we're looking at six different friggin' Hedgehogs: Sonic, Amy, Metal Sonic, Shadow, Silver and Mephiles. The latter three, of course, look like they came from DeviantArtist "fancharacters," and have about as much personality, making them absolutely infuriating to me because I'd rather Sonic Team focused on the characters they already have, rather than making new-and-sucky ones for each installment of the series. I honestly wouldn't care if the entire Sonic universe got reset back to Sonic 3 & Knuckles by this point. Actually, I'd like to see them try that. Take like, five years off from making Sonic games and work on a title where it's just Sonic, Tails and Knuckles. The gameplay between the three isn't that different, there's no story-intensiveness, and Eggman is the only villain. Sure, there are advantages to playing as one particular character--all three may be fast, but Sonic is the fastest, while Tails can fly and swim, and Knuckles can bust through certain walls to make alternate paths for himself--and there's no necessity to beat the game as all three or any one of the three, or whatever. They could seriously do that if they actually, you know, tried. And they'd absolutely have to ditch Sonic '06's "M-preg" Eggman design. Seriously, Sonic Team, WTF. Yeah, none of the Sonic games came close to S&K. I would like it if they focused on 2D games. I could care less about the characters, the gameplay needs to be there. I would like Sonic the Hedgehog 4. Yeah. Like the old days. |
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Post by kirbychu on Mar 26, 2007 5:15:51 GMT -5
Personally, I didn't mind Wave and Storm, but Jet kinda killed it for me. I love Jet, but his English voice killed him entirely. Why they decided to make him sound like Sonic pretending to be a parrot is beyond me. In Japanese he has a deep, serious voice. |
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