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Post by nocturnal YL on Aug 23, 2009 9:47:32 GMT -5
Smash Bros is something I'll simply list "various" in the "developer" part. It's too complicated. I think Fry said something about simplifying it so it won't end up to list multiple developers every time. Take Kirby & the Amazing Mirror. Known to take part in development include HAL Laboratory, Nintendo, Flagship and Pole to Win. And, if you insist, you may want to say a debug team by the name of Super Mario Club is involved in most games developed after it's been established. I just really, REALLY doubt if it'll be accepted to be posted to the main site, but yeah, it's the fact  (Debug is part of a software's development cycle.) |
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Post by eadninja on Aug 23, 2009 11:00:19 GMT -5
Hey YoungLink.
What information do you have on "Pole To Win". The Flagship coordinated Kirby games have had me looking all over the web trying to find the programmers.
Now.
Kirby's Squeek Squad. I've seen some mysterious links to DIMPS and Natsume as the additional team programming the game under Nintendo/HAL/Flagship.
Now. I've noticed that Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones was pretty much developed by this same team. But I can't really find the nature of these programmers.
Pole To Win? Natsume? Dimps??
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Post by eadninja on Aug 23, 2009 11:26:33 GMT -5
I'd leave it as Nintendo simply. In all honesty that is what the collective medium is.
I think ultimately if only one developer gets mentioned it should be NIntendo (not Nintendo EAD, Nintendo R&D1) unless you want to include a list.
I think the biggest misconception about Nintendo, is that anytime something is co-developed or co-copyrighted. Nintendo/JoeSchmoe. Everyone assumes Nintendo is the lowest common denominator and that the other group mentioned or discovered, did all the work.
Even on a game like Donkey Konga. Where Namco's Taiko no Tatsujin team pretty much ported their game and added Donkey Kong characters and a new song list. Nintendo still developed the actual hardware bongos. They did not just publish and supervise the game.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Aug 23, 2009 13:03:13 GMT -5
>eadninja I'm sorry, the only thing I know is that its name appears in the credits screen. Going to their official website would reveal that they're a game testing/localization company. They probably tested the game, seeing how the game was localised under NOA's censorship in mind. When a game is not there as "Licensed to Nintendo" or "Published by Nintendo", they are involved in a game - often doing more than half of the work too, making them the actual main developer. Somehow online sources have a habit of mentioning the non-Nintendo developer as the one to do the work - thus possibly misleading readers. But it's still better than saying "Nintendo did it" in everything. This is even more misleading. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 23, 2009 16:22:09 GMT -5
I think you guys need to start a new thread for this  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2009 9:16:00 GMT -5
www.nindb.net/panel-de-pon.htmlYou made an error on the Game Boy version of Tetris Attack because you forgot to mention that the upside-down triangle panel was omitted from this version, where it lies on on the Super Famicom and SNES.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Aug 25, 2009 9:18:28 GMT -5
www.nindb.net/panel-de-pon.htmlYou made an error on the Game Boy version of Tetris Attack because you forgot to mention that the upside-down triangle panel was omitted from this version, where it lies on on the Super Famicom and SNES. That's at most a minor ommission, but I don't see any need to mention this - the SNES and GB versions are clearly not related by "remaking". |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 25, 2009 10:29:47 GMT -5
www.nindb.net/panel-de-pon.htmlYou made an error on the Game Boy version of Tetris Attack because you forgot to mention that the upside-down triangle panel was omitted from this version, where it lies on on the Super Famicom and SNES.  Why is that an error? Actually... why is that even noteworthy? |
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Post by fiendcode on Aug 25, 2009 11:06:30 GMT -5
In fairness, this goes both ways. Sin & Punishment being a good example, which with credit checks reveal it's pretty much a pure Treasure effort, yet it's often mischaracterized as being co-developed by R&D1 (who in reality just produced/supervised the title). Anyway, as per the topic, I noticed Dr. Mario Rx Online has an incorrect developer (it should be Arika). Also in the developer debate, I've noticed a lot of titles get subcontracted and those credits seems to be missing. Two quick examples that stick out to me are Now Production on Mario Sluggers/Baseball (Namco uses them on all their Famista games actually, they also make the Sonic Riders games for Sega) and CAProduction on the entire Mario Party series (ex-Tecnosoft team, Hudson also worked with them on Wing Island and the Deca Sports games). Generally you may just want to do some credit checks and searches, but there are some reliable general resources (like VGRebirth, mobygames or (the more limited but always accurate) GDRI) if you don't want to go through the trouble of translating and cross referencing names and aliases yourself. And tangentially, I was wondering if you'll ever do something about games (chiefly) developed by Nintendo or Nintendo owned teams, but published by 3rd parties? Stuff like Pac-Man Vs., Blue Dragon Plus, Pool Edge, etc? Might be worth looking into, I mean they are "Nintendo games" in a sense still. |
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Post by fiendcode on Aug 25, 2009 11:22:56 GMT -5
Combing through the Wii/DS sections, I noticed some more...
ASH = MistWalker / Racjin
electroplankton = indieszero
Eyesheild 21 (both DS and Wii) = Eighting
Fossil Fighters = Red / M2
Style Savvy = Nintendo / syn-Sophia
Wario MOD = Suzak (with a "k")
...also, before I forget, the Game Data Room (http://homepage2.nifty.com/gamedatabase/index.html) is another great resource to check against, though sadly it seems it's no longer updated.
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Post by The Qu on Aug 26, 2009 1:27:44 GMT -5
Pac-Man Vs. should be on the site just because of how much Nintendo pimped it at E3 that year. Itoi, Miyamoto and the creator of Pac-Man playing a match together was an awesome moment.
Also, it was co-developed by Nintendo, wasn't it? They had a hand in it, at least.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 26, 2009 3:25:33 GMT -5
This is a complicated topic, and the further back you go, the more difficult this is to get right. Luckily I have you guys on hand to help! All I need is for someone to do exactly what fiendcode just did: List the game name and the developer(s) next to it, ideally on a system by system basis. In most cases a game is credited to just one developer, even though many have worked on it. I'd like to get this spot on, and thank you for the resources that will get me started. EAD Ninja, I'm also hoping you can help me when I finally get back on MSN (Monkey Island on Monday, fast asleep yesterday... ) It should be on the site, as Nintendo was involved, but I never got around to adding it. Same goes for the Zelda compilation disks on Gamecube. |
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Post by Leon on Aug 27, 2009 20:21:53 GMT -5
I noticed a few errors in the Fire Emblem page.
First of all, the link for Shadow Dragon in the DS page redirects to the Famicom game.
In Gaiden a few of the facts are wrong.
* There are character limits in battle, but you only come across them in the late game.
* Mira and Selica should be Mila and Celica as shown in Brawl, but it's no biggie.
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Post by Volray on Aug 27, 2009 21:33:50 GMT -5
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Post by Grandy02 on Aug 28, 2009 8:51:13 GMT -5
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