Man- Frog's Secret Pet Project

[Manspeed]

Hello, all. Remember those two threads I posted a long time ago asking about what franchises were and weren't in Brawl?

Well, I needed that information so I could get going with this little project of mine. It's a set of charts that determine exactly how much representation each franchise featured in Brawl were given, and it's intended to be used in case anybody forgets which franchise got what during a discussion about what they'd like to see in the next SSB.

Now I'll explain how these charts work. I've grouped the different game series together based on a Tier system (not to be confused with the one from the Tourney scene) determined by the size/importance of the series in question. For example, the highest tier is for series deemed important enough to garner it's own World Symbol, while the lowest tier goes to series that only got stickers.

I've managed to tally how much each franchise was served in the way of Assists, Stages, Items, My Music selections, Trophies and Stickers. Each of these categories is worth a certain number of "points", which act as a rating for how represented the series was. Characters, Bosses, Assists, and Stages are worth 5 points each, Items are worth 4, Songs are worth 3, Trophies are worth 2. and Stickers are only worth 1. Once the point totals are finalized, the series will be ranked in order of greatest to least amount of representation.

To start the topic off, I'll post my stats for Teir 1. This is the highest teir as it involves series that received a World Symbol.

Super Mario
Characters: 4
Bosses:1
Assists: 3
Stages: 6
Items: 11
Songs: 26
Trophies: 64
Stickers: 118

Yoshi
Characters: 1
Stages: 2
Songs: 6
Trophies: 4
Stickers: 24

Wario
Characters: 1
Assists: 1
Stages: 1
Songs: 17 (Microgame themes included)
Trophies: 4
Stickers: 20

Donkey Kong
Characters: 2
Stages: 3
Items: 2
Songs: 12
Trophies: 28
Stickers: 29

The Legend of Zelda
Character: 5
Assists: 1
Stages: 3
Items: 3
Songs: 19
Trophies: 47
Stickers: 75

Metroid
Characters: 2
Bosses: 2
Assists: 1
Stages:3
Items: 1
Songs: 12
Trophies: 27
Stickers: 29

Kirby
Characters: 3
Assists: 1
Stages: 2
Items: 5
Songs: 14
Trophies: 42
Stickers: 34

Star Fox
Characters: 3
Assists: 1
Stages: 2
Items: 1
Songs: 12
Trophies: 23
Stickers: 32

Pokemon
Characters: 7
Bosses: 1
Stages: 3
Items: 1 (with 31 possible Pokemon, valued at 1 point each)
Songs: 13
Trophies: 76
Stickers: 38

F-Zero
Characters: 1
Assists: 1
Stages: 2
Songs: 12
Trophies: 12
Stickers: 18

MOTHER
Characters: 2
Bosses: 2
Assists: 1
Stages: 2
Items: 2
Songs: 8
Trophies: 9
Stickers: 26

Ice Climber
Characters: 1
Stages: 2
Songs: 2
Trophies: 3
Stickers:1

Fire Emblem
Characters: 2
Assists: 1
Stages: 1
Songs: 12
Trophies: 9
Stickers: 24

Game & Watch
Characters: 1
Stages: 1
Songs: 2
Trophies: 2
Stickers: 10

Kid Icarus
Characters: 1
Stages: 1
Songs: 4
Trophies: 4
Stickers: 4

Pikmin
Characters: 1
Stages: 1
Songs: 8
Trophies: 21
Stickers: 16

Robotic Operating Buddy
Characters: 1
Songs: 1
Trophies: 2
Stickers: 1

Animal Crossing
Stages: 1
Assists: 1
Items: 1
Songs: 11
Trophies: 24
Stickers: 31

Nintendo DS
Stages: 1
Songs: 1

Electroplankton
Stages: 1
Songs: 1
Stickers: 4

Category Winners
Here are the top representing series for each individual category:

Characters: Pokemon
Bosses: Metroid & MOTHER
Assists: Super Mario
Stages: Super Mario
Items: Super Mario
Songs: Super Mario
Trophies: Pokemon
Stickers: Super Mario

Final Ranking
Here are the final ranks for this Tier:

1- Super Mario - 438 points
2- Pokemon- 319 points
3- Zelda- 283 points
4- Kirby- 210 points
5- Metroid- 163 points
6- Donkey Kong - 154 points
7- Star Fox- 148 points
8- Animal Crossing- 126 points
9- MOTHER- 111 points
10- F-Zero- 103 points
11- Fire Emblem- 98 points
12- Wario- 94 points
13- Pikmin- 92 points
14- Yoshi- 65 points
15- Kid Icarus- 34 points
16- Game & Watch- 30 points
17- Ice Climber- 23 points
18- ROB- 13 points
19- Electroplankton- 12 points
20- Nintendo DS- 8 points

Comments
First note that I intentionally left Mario, Yoshi and Wario as seperate series as SSB puts them each under different World Symbols. Even with the other two seperate, Mario destroyed all the other series in terms of rep service. Meanwhile, ROB, Electroplankton and the poor DS placed in the bottom three. I guess there isn't much you can do with a piece of hardware. though. Interestingly enough, Ice Climber was beaten out by Game & Watch. Still, a lot of the series low in the standings are newcomers, so they have a chance to beef up once the next SSB rolls around.

Join me next time as I post the results of the second Teir, which is for series that could only get an Assist Trophy at most. Toodles.

[Captain Walrus]

Pretty cool idea. It takes away some of the subjectivity of the "not enough _______ representation".

[Manspeed]

I just hope Fry doesn't bill this as a pointless list, though. I worked hard on it.

[Da Robot]

Very good idea, it's interesting to see how close FE, Wario, F-Zero and Pikmin are represented.

Now I finally have a reason to give Karma.

[Boo Destroyer]

Lists are only pointless here if you just name a bunch of names without doing anything about them. At least this one has a purpose.

But it's really quite hard to determine what else to do with any of the more minor series.

Wouldn't Animal Crossing also get in there? Despite lacking a playable fighter, it got a lot of other treatment.

[TV Eye]

Hmm, I don't really see much validity to your post. For instance, why do you list Mother as having two bosses? I consider the Porky statue as the same boss as Porky because he was inside it. And where is Metal Gear and Sonic?

I can tell you really put a lot of work into this though, so...

[Sqrt2]

Nov 5, 2008 20:15:04 GMT -5 Manspeed said:

Ice Climber
Characters: 1
Stages: 2
Songs: 1
Trophies: 3
Stickers:1

What do you mean there was only 1 Ice Climber song in Brawl? There was the Ice Climber and Ice Climber (Melee) songs, which makes for a total of two songs.

[Fryguy64]

POINTLESS LIST! KILL IT!!!

Just kidding

This is quite interesting actually. Although I do wonder if you're including all of the stuff from Melee, as Sqrt rightly pointed out.

And for me, the representation list seems totally fair, with only Mother's position seeming unnaturally high. I mean... Mother got a rep in SSB64, which was ridiculously unlikely! Sakurai must love those games (does anyone know if he worked on any of them?)

[Kohta]

I'm surprised that Metroid and DK are way up top, especially with only one playable (2 sorta) and assist for Samus.

Nice list Man-Frog!

[Boo Destroyer]

Ah, you seemed to have forgotten:

F-Zero has one assistant (Samurai Goroh).

[Manspeed]

Thanks for pointing out the mistakes I made folks. I'll get to fixing them in due time. Keep in mind I still have the rest of the series that made appearances to do, but as I pointed out in the first post, they're grouped seperately for a reason. In retrospect, I probably should've included Animal Crossing, Nintendo DS, and Electroplankton among the first Teir, but I can't fix it now.

@ TV Eye:
I counted the Pokey Statue and Pokey himself as seperate bosses because that's how they appeared in MOTHER 3 and on the dojo. I didn't include the third party series because they're going to have stagnant amounts of content by default, being guests and all.

@ Fry:
Yes, I counted the Melee stages and Melee songs as well. This particular thread is for Brawl content only, but I figured if it got a good enough feedback, I'd make one for Melee and eventually the entire SSB spectrum. Seeing how everybody likes what I did so far... ;D

EDIT: I went back and added the missing Melee songs and stuff to each series. The final point values are only marginally different, with F-Zero now ahead of Pikmin.

[BeamClaws]

I'd like tto "Exalt" you for creating such a great list.

[Manspeed]

I'm posting right now to inform all of you that I made an important change to the first post. Teir 1 is now for series that got a World Symbol, so Animal Crossing, Nintendo DS and Electroplankton have been worked in. OK? Good.

Meanwhile, I've also been working on Teir 2, so here it is:

Teir 2
These are universes that managed to get an Assist Trophy in the game.

Band Bros.
Assist: 1
Trophies: 1

Devil World
Assist: 1
Trophies: 1
Stickers: 1

Sim City
Assist: 1
Trophies: 1

Excitebike
Assist: 1
Songs: 1
Trophies: 2
Stickers: 5

Kururin
Assist: 1
Trophies: 2
Stickers: 2

Wars
Assist: 1
Trophies: 1
Stickers: 6

Golden Sun
Assist: 1
Songs: 1
Trophies: 1

Drill Dozer
Assist: 1
Trophies: 1
Stickers: 3

Punch-Out!!
Assist: 1
Trophies: 1

Nintendogs
Assist: 1
Trophies: 1
Stickers: 4

Custom Robo
Assist: 1
Trophies: 2
Stickers: 7

Sin and Punishment
Assist: 1
Trophies: 1

Legend of Stafy
Assist: 1
Trophies: 2
Stickers: 8

Category Winners
Assist: They're all tied.
Songs: Excitebike with only one song.
Trophies: 4- way tie: Excitebike, Kururin, Custom Robo and Starfy.
Stickers: Stafy, oddly enough.

Final Rankings
1- Excitebike- 17 points
1- Legend of Stafy- 17 points
2- Custom Robo- 16 points
3- Wars- 13 points
4- Kururin- 11 points
4- Nintendogs- 11 points
5- Golden Sun- 10 points
5- Drill Dozer- 10 points
6- Devil World- 8 points
7- Band Bros.- 7 points
7- Sim City- 7 points
7- Punch-Out!!- 7 points
7- Sin and Punishment- 7 points

Comments
Lotta ties in this Tier. Guess it starts to happen more often as you go further down the list. Masa will be pleased to know that Wars placed third, so maybe it isn't as lost of a cause as he thought. However, it may not measure up once I do the grand ranking list comprised of all the Tiers at the very end.

[Deleted]

Heh, pretty awesome list. This is pretty interesting, some series got higher (or lower) than I thought they would/deserved. One such example was F-Zero. When I played the game, the series didn't seem to have much (from what I saw).

[Fryguy64]

Excellent. I was wondering if you were continuing it. It'd be interesting to see if any that only got - say - stickers, have a higher score than an Assist or Trophy character.