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Post by Johans Nidorino on Jun 2, 2010 21:20:56 GMT -5
By the way did I ever mention how there is no such thing as the "family" in Pokemon. or if there is its not nearly as treasured as human pokemon relationships. Think about it. In the anime: Mothers are usually left alone to raise their children because fathers are too busy with pokemon. At ten the kids get kicked out of the house and rarely make contact with their parents, and if they do the Mother complains you are calling too much! I'm not kidding. There was an episode where Dawn called her Mom and she told her ten year old daughter to STOP CALLING! And instead rely on Ash and Brock for help. There's not even any affection between mother and child. When Ash rescues his Mom in the third movie he doesn't hug her, approach her, or seem concerned in the slightest. Its so ridiculous that the American directors mentioned it in the director's commentary! I wonder if children leaving early has to do with Japanese culture? Anyway, while I agree those are seemingly cold attitudes, saying there aren't affectionate families in Pokémon is not true (not even in those two cases, really). There are many families in the Pokémon universe where members seem to care for each other. - The Winstrate family in Hoenn
- Wally's family in Hoenn
- Bill's family in Kanto and Johto
- The Go-Rock Quads in Fiore
- The family of the Shadows of Almia protagonist in Almia
You mention the anime... In the anime, countless minor families are shown to share a deep love, but if you meant only major characters, you can see the example of Brock's family (while at first, Brock's father was revealed to have abandoned their home, no traces of this coldness exist in the later episodes). May's family from Petalburg really cherishes her, both her parents and her younger brother. |
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Post by TV Eye on Jun 2, 2010 22:28:23 GMT -5
Blue and Daisy seem to form a strong bond. Maybe it's because they were orphans...
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jun 2, 2010 23:02:12 GMT -5
I find it a bit important to point out that if Dawn's mother was being called for help repeatedly about things she wouldn't be too experienced with but that Ash and Brock were, there would be a reason for her to tell her daughter to stop calling. Especially if that's ALL she was calling about.
On another note, at which rescue?
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Jun 2, 2010 23:17:25 GMT -5
I find it a bit important to point out that if Dawn's mother was being called for help repeatedly about things she wouldn't be too experienced with but that Ash and Brock were, there would be a reason for her to tell her daughter to stop calling. Especially if that's ALL she was calling about. Dawn called her tell her "mom, I won the first round!!", "mom, I'm sorry I lost...". Any good parent would feel it's not correct that their child apologize for losing a sport-like competition. After Dawn won once again and called her in a future competition, she didn't complain because good news are always welcome to parents. I found nothing wrong about that attitude. Except the age of 10 might not be old enough for a child to understand and overcome that kind of experiences. But like other things in the franchise, characters mature earlier than in real life. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jun 3, 2010 0:50:41 GMT -5
Blue and Daisy seem to form a strong bond. Maybe it's because they were orphans... Where do you come up with that? What bond? There has been little if any evidence of a bond between those two. |
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Post by kirbychu on Jun 3, 2010 3:08:34 GMT -5
There's not even any affection between mother and child. When Ash rescues his Mom in the third movie he doesn't hug her, approach her, or seem concerned in the slightest. Never mind that he tried to chase Entei into the dangerous crystal wasteland and then disobeyed Professor Oak to break into the mansion and rescue her. The affection between parent and child was what that entire movie was about!  |
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Post by TV Eye on Jun 3, 2010 10:48:36 GMT -5
Blue and Daisy seem to form a strong bond. Maybe it's because they were orphans... Where do you come up with that? What bond? There has been little if any evidence of a bond between those two. Just context clues. She mentions him being her kid brother which implies she raised him (since they live together). Hell, if you think about it too hard, maybe there's a whole story involved where their parents died and Oak was such a caring grandfather that he ended up moving his lab across from his grandchildren so they wouldn't be lonely. Also, 'nother creepy thing to think about. (Don't know if this was posted yet since it's so widely known.) Mew's design is based on an embryo complete with pink skin, umbilical cord (his tail) and he's always posed in the fetal position. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jun 4, 2010 1:37:26 GMT -5
You only have the one person's context, Daisy, and she's known to be a loving person anyways. Blue makes literally one mention of her ever.
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Post by kirbychu on Jun 4, 2010 3:31:19 GMT -5
She mentions him being her kid brother which implies she raised him (since they live together). ...Does it? I used to live with my kid brother, but I didn't raise him. An imporant thing to remember is that we don't know that their parents are dead. They could just as easily be away on their own journeys, like Ash's father in the anime. Or Brock's parents. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jun 4, 2010 12:39:30 GMT -5
I point out that Brock's parents DID abandon him, and there is obvious shame at least on the part of his father with regards to this abandonment. It's clearly not as acceptable as you seem to think, Koops. They made a point of Flint's shame when he came back to Brock, and it's twofold, the obvious part where he basically says "I was ashamed of myself for failing as your father," and the one that wasn't so obvious, living in disguise in the same town as the children he abandoned selling rocks (which I maintain is a scam, because they're ROCKS. They're garden variety ROCKS.) Obviously, a parent running off for the noble sport of Pokemon training is just as bad in the Pokemon world as it is for a parent running off for any other reason in either world.
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Post by TV Eye on Jun 4, 2010 12:45:37 GMT -5
Exactly. Any parent willing to leave their children to fend for themselves is disturbing in its own right. And lets not forget that Brock had like twenty brothers and sisters.
At least with Ash (and maybe Red if his father isn't dead) his mother remains to take care of him and maybe pay mortgages or whatever. Blue probably only mentions his sister once because he was still an immature little kid ("I'm gonna have my sis give me a map and tell her not to give you one")
But, hey. If you guys don't want to believe there's any family love in Pokemon, then I don't give a shit (lawl that sounds like the most retarded sentence ever). I find it touching when a game has characters evolve from snotty little brats into caring individuals.
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Jun 4, 2010 13:23:26 GMT -5
Brock's and Misty's families were created to explain who'd take care of their respective Gyms when they're not around in the anime, anyway, so their abandonment is not more important than their return and long stay. I wouldn't put too much thought into those cases.
Now about Mew... I hadn't viewed the tail as an umbilical cord!
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Post by The Qu on Jun 4, 2010 13:39:32 GMT -5
The protagonist's family in Ruby/Sapphire. That should end the family arguments.
Yup, Johans, Mew is probably a fetus. It feels much ickier now.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jun 5, 2010 2:51:28 GMT -5
To you, perhaps, but Game Freak made fetii cute. Don't want to know how that one's possible, but the point is still valid.
Okay, this is more speculation than much else, and it's not disturbing so much as relevatory, but I think Erika smokes pot. Seriously. She's the Grass-type Gym Leader, noting that "grass" is one of the many nicknames for marijuana, she's constantly tired and when you come into the Gym to fight her she comments on the weather. Everything about her screams "POTHEAD! POTHEAD! GRASS-SMOKING TOKER!"
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Post by kirbychu on Jun 5, 2010 4:42:29 GMT -5
But, hey. If you guys don't want to believe there's any family love in Pokemon, then I don't give a shit (lawl that sounds like the most retarded sentence ever). I find it touching when a game has characters evolve from snotty little brats into caring individuals. Uh, I've been arguing for the family love. I was just pointing out that there's no evidence to suggest that Blue's parents are dead other than their absence at the family home, which, as we've seen in plenty of other families, isn't a big deal in the Pokémon world. In this case, the parents haven't even just left the kids to fend for themselves - they're living with their grandfather, who is more than capable of providing for them. |
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