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Post by Prince~Of~Light on Jul 30, 2011 5:17:11 GMT -5
Aw man, looks like it was a miss. Well, too bad.
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Post by The Qu on Aug 3, 2011 15:34:58 GMT -5
Would the Lost Woods bit qualify as a cameo? It's set up pretty much exactly like the Lost Woods in 2D Zelda games- the game (The translation at least) even lampshades it with a line saying "I think I've seen that trick before.
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Post by Prince~Of~Light on Aug 3, 2011 19:50:00 GMT -5
Lampshading just proves it more plausible. (-lvl-)
Let's see what Fry says about this.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 4, 2011 3:04:20 GMT -5
Potentially. Is anyone in contact with the translation team? It'd be good to find out from the source if they changed it up.
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Post by Prince~Of~Light on Aug 4, 2011 6:28:35 GMT -5
Ya can talk to the guy in RomHacking.net... I think...
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Post by MEGAߥTE on Aug 4, 2011 23:40:40 GMT -5
Yes, I'm in contact with Devin (his Metroid Database is also hosted on Kontek.net).
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 5, 2011 8:16:04 GMT -5
Oh cool! It's that guy! I didn't know he was translating games too...
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Post by MEGAߥTE on Aug 5, 2011 11:57:45 GMT -5
He said yes, it's an obvious reference.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 7, 2011 3:21:07 GMT -5
Cool. I need to finish my playthrough and get some fresh screens.
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Post by ryanbgstl on Nov 16, 2011 2:15:26 GMT -5
Hello, I worked on the English translation patch for this game. I tried to avoid inadvertently inserting new references into the English translation. 'Mamicon' was one liberty that was allowed because of it's charm and because it saves many characters. The game references many other works, and some of the game elements are used in later Zelda titles. The game was released in '92, after Link to the Past ('91) and before Link's Awakening ('93). Below are the references I know about: - The mining team is named ‘Couthern All-Stars’ after the band ‘Southern All Stars’.
- There is a Disk Fax and a Disk Writer in Nantendo.
- Copyrighter Shigesato Itoi (the man behind Earthbound) once hosted a TV show about gold mining, and that is referenced in the gold mine.
earthboundcentral.com/2010/10/shigesato-itois-gold-mine-adventure/
- This disappearing enemies are similar to wizzrobes.
- There is a lost woods, and the prince remarks that it seems familiar.
- As in LTTP and later Zelda games, there is a wristband for moving heavier rocks.
- As in LTTP and later Zelda games, there is a mirror shield.
- Riding Hood gives you an object that allows you to talk to animals. It’s hard to tell what the icon is intended to look like, but it reminds me of a hood/mask like in Majora’s Mask.
- The turtles around Nantendo are similar to the snapper from Majora’s Mask.
- There is an Ice Cavern, as in OOT.
- A man in the hot springs references the song "What a Nice Bath" by the Drifters (the Japanese one).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Drifters_(Japanese_band)
- Madeline was kidnapped as a substitute for the princess who the bad guys couldn’t find. This is similar to the situation with the multiple kidnapped girls in Wind Waker. The way the princess changes her appearance is similar to Zelda/Sheik in OOT, as is the presence of a loyal retainer who is in on the deception.
- The name of upgraded wine in the game “Wine Ichibanshibori” (ワイン1ばんしぼり) is named after the beer Kirin Ichibanbori.
- The robot is named “Tokyo Comic Show Z”. This is a reference to the Tokyo Comic Show, and the anime Mazinger Z. The Tokyo Comic show is a long running variety act that is/was seen on television around New Years. It is known for the phrase “Red Snake Come On” which the doctor uses to activate the robot. The costume used in the act is similar to Alfred Jinbee’s appearance in the game. A flute is used to summon both the robot, and the snakes in the act.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcYBdaoAVY8
- The text えらいやっちゃ... is present in the game's text. I can't remember if it can be triggered in actual gameplay. This would be a reference to Awa dance festival.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awa_Dance_Festival
- The name フーリン火山 (lit. Furing Volcano), references the battle standard Fūrinkazan.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C5%ABrinkazan
- This is speculation, but there are some similarities with the anime Ranma ½ which ran from '89-'92. Firstly, There is the shared element of transforming in water. Secondly, my Japanese isn't good enough to analyze this, but making a wild guess, the goofy "foreign sounding" speech of Alfred Jinbee reminds me of the broken-Japanese of the Chinese tour guide in Ranma.
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Post by Evie ❤✿ on Nov 17, 2011 15:28:35 GMT -5
That's some interesting real world references in there. Nice work on the fan-translation project! I never knew about any of them (except the Shigesu Itoi one and Disk Writer/Fax cameos that were mentioned here on the previous page) because I've only played through the original untranslated game and can't understand Japanese yet alone any references like that, although I did start playing the fan-translation a little but stopped.
Do you happen to have a text dump of the translated text (or could you provide a .tbl file so I can make my own?)
The Riding Hood item resembles a frog, though I'm not really convinced that Majora's Mask borrowed this concept because of the game itself being based around frogs and snakes.
Regarding the transforming into a frog in water, and transforming into a snake after eating consuming an egg; I thought that was a possible play on the word kaeru (frog), which I believe somebody else on these boards mentioned before, as kaeru doesn't only mean 'frog', but also 'to change', 'to exchange', 'to return', 'to turn over' and 'to be hatched'. Curiously, you could link all of these to the plot, some (like 'turn over' and the prince's tendency to draw over money) more closely than others.
I recall hearing that For the Frog the Bell Tolls' engine and The Link's Awakening are so similar that some of the memory structure is the same (e.g. that Japanese infinite hearts Gameshark codes for Link's Awakening work on For the Frog the Bell Tolls) but my memory is faint.
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Post by parrothead on Sept 25, 2012 16:14:18 GMT -5
The palace theme sounds similar to the original Zelda dungeon theme. Is that a cameo?
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Post by Fryguy64 on Sept 27, 2012 16:30:52 GMT -5
Similar songs don't count as cameos. I've heard the palace song several times and never noticed a connection. You'd have to really want to hear it.
To paraphrase Sherlock Holmes, you need to shape your theories to suit the facts, not shape the facts to suit your theories.
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