This is the 10th Kickstarter I've funded, and I haven't been let down yet. Some of the coolest stuff I've got has come from Kickstarters, actually. Not having a publisher breathing down their necks leaves the studios free to do some really cool shit.
Post by Nester the Lark on May 2, 2015 14:18:16 GMT -5
Creative freedom is one thing; knowing when to draw a line is another. Being able to make the game you want the way you want it is a good thing; not being able to do it within a realistic scope is a problem. Practicality versus ego. It varies from developer to developer.
For example, the Shadowgate remake could be seen as conservative, but it's also highly polished and one of the best gaming experiences I've had so far this year. The developers, Zojoi, seemed to know exactly what they wanted it to be from the start.
On the other hand, there's Hero-U, a spiritual successor to Quest for Glory, made by Lori and Cory Cole, and it's in total development hell. The original Kickstarter money is long gone, the mortgage they took out on their house (literally) has been spent, and now they're planning a second Kickstarter to continue funding the game. It's way over schedule, way over budget, and after all that, they've got little to show for it other than a few screenshots and a long out-of-date gameplay trailer. Yet, they still insist it will be the greatest game they've ever made, and it's supposed to be only the first in a five-part series. It's not off to a good start.
If the Playtonic guys ever start saying, "This is going to be the greatest game we've ever made," I would consider that a red flag.
I think the lesson there isn't to be wary of ambitious projects, it's to be wary of ambitious projects with two-person development teams. Especially when those two people haven't successfully completed a project in over 15 years. You can't really compare Playtonic to the Coles.
Post by Nester the Lark on May 2, 2015 18:43:57 GMT -5
I didn't really mean that as a direct comparison to Playtonic, but rather just a general example of how a Kickstarter can go wrong. (Although, the Cole's are more than a two-person team, but they've really let things get out of hand.)
As I mentioned on the previous page, "recalling the insane output Rare had on the N64 in the '90s, I think these guys know what they're doing." I agree there's reason to have confidence in Playtonic, at least as much as in Comcept and Inti Creates with Mighty No 9.
Ah, my bad, I had thought it was just the Coles doing that game. Though, looking at the staff they do have, it doesn't look like any of them are that experienced.
Yeah, I just meant that I think generally you can get a pretty good idea of whether or not a project will get finished based on who's behind it. I've heard of a few Kickstarters that've gone nowhere. I generally only back things that're by people who've already put out a lot of content I've enjoyed - Double Fine, Tommy Tallarico, Keiji Inafune, Sam Logan, Greg Johnson... and now these guys. So far they've all either delivered beyond what I was hoping for, or are looking promising but not finished yet. They're all very experienced at what they do, so there's usually not much risk of them overshooting what they're capable of. And it's all stuff that likely never would've been made if they'd just waited for a publisher to pick them up. Kickstarter's been pretty awesome.
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Post by Shrikeswind on May 2, 2015 21:59:18 GMT -5
There's apparently a rumor going around, so could I put in a request for investigation? Apparently, Playtonic shot ol' JonTron a tweet approaching him for some voice work for this game. But I've also read that this is fake, and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if it was. So what's going on there?
I saw a screenshot of the tweets, but I don't see them on Twitter now. So I guess they were either deleted or fake. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened, though. Jontron was really excited about this, and is friends with Grant Kirkhope.
EDIT: Wait, they are real, they just happened much longer ago than I expected. So I guess we can expect to hear Jontron in the game.
Nester the Lark: Here's an archive of results from the Everybody Votes channel. I found my poll question in the US English section for September 1, 2009.
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Nester the Lark: ^ At the time, I think I picked romantic. Not sure what I'd pick today. I feel like I'm somewhere in between.
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nocturnal YL: Looking at the other members' last online date, I can safely say that this place is pretty much inactive by now.
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nocturnal YL: …Why am I still seeking gaming news when I have 7 games yet to complete and at least 2 more that I plan to get? (EDIT — Oh right, Ys IX has a confirmed release date. That makes at least 3 games I'll get later.)
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nocturnal YL: My current plan is to play Atelier Firis DX now, which online guides suggest is long. Atelier Lydie & Suelle DX will likewise be long (longer than the original too, due to DLC, DX additions and I'll make the best items). I'll maybe play Ys Origin after.
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nocturnal YL: Not sure about what I'll play after. Another Atelier game will probably be out by then, either completing the Secret series or giving us Arland 5. Either way, I'll probably play those before going elsewhere. Dusk will have to wait for quite a bit…
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Nester the Lark: Wondering if I should get Mario Golf at launch or wait a couple of months. I have so many other things to play that my gaming (and wallet) might need a little breathing room.
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Shrikeswind: By the way, I don't know if you guys have been keeping up with OCR on YouTube, but apparently they're dropping an album for a game I grew up on, Jet Force Gemini. Really pumped; I'll post a review when they finish.
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