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Post by Leon on Apr 11, 2015 12:53:06 GMT -5
Lemme break my responses down. First, for Leon: 1. Mother/Earthbound is at least fifty times more of a franchise than Band Bros., and you'd have to be in pretty heavy denial to think otherwise. Do heavy merchandise and a rabid legacy suddenly not count? I honestly could not care less about the Mother fanbase.2. Why the quotes? Is Itoi's word suddenly meaningless? I believe what Itoi says, and that's why it's significant.3. What the hell does being finished have to do with anything? They could produce ten more Band Bros. games and it won't amount to jack if it never reaches the acclaim that Earthbound has. There's more to being considered a "franchise" than simply existing. As time moves on and Mother doesn't receive any new entries it's cultural significance will diminish. Just look at what is happening with F-Zero. On the other hand as long as Band Bros. is profitable it will keep growing and become bigger.For Koopaul: 1. Fan art isn't official art. 2. I guess I'm just not a fan of chicks who wear super heavy make-up. Or carry a really narcissistic attitude.  |
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Post by The Qu on Apr 11, 2015 13:47:46 GMT -5
Mother's fanbase is also an archetypal cult fandom, IE small but loud. They aren't a good metric for the series' success. Conversely, as a cult fandom, I think it will retain its fandom for a long time, similar to classic cult films like Rocky Horror.
Daigasso is just a small niche series Nintendo has that's waiting for its day, which may or may not ever hapen. I think they missed their chance in the early DS era, when it was supposed to come out Stateside.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Apr 11, 2015 18:37:37 GMT -5
And how can I "deny reality" if I honestly didn't even know what the reality was? I didn't know the first Band Bros. sold more than Earthbound, and I thought something wasn't considered a 'franchise' unless it had at least three entries and a bunch of tie-in media! You know, attempts at actual franchising? If Band Bros. really is a bigger 'franchise' than Earthbound, how come I've seen plenty of promotional material and merchandise such as manga and little knick-knacks pertaining to Earthbound but have never seen anything pertaining to Band Bros. besides its three games? If these things exist, I'd more be more than happy to see them. They don't, but here's the thing: It doesn't matter. A media franchise doesn't need a bunch of tie-in media or even three entries. All it needs - what for it - is to exist. It doesn't even take that heavy of research to find any of this out. And that the hell is wrong with my lady preferences? Am I suddenly not allowed to dislike the way a fictional character looks? You're totally allowed to like or dislike whatever you want, I never said otherwise. What I said was that you described everyone in the entertainment industry just to smart off about one fictional character. But, like I've told you before, you do not need to be an ass about things you don't like. If you think she's not pretty enough for your standards, fine. Don't need to make a big deal about it. And don't get me wrong, Manspeed. My aggravation with you might have simply glided into this and you actually weren't making a big deal about it or being an ass. But... .....Where did I say I didn't like Band Bros.? And most importantly, why are you getting so personally offended? I'm not getting offended. I'm getting annoyed. This whole snide commentary thing you're doing for Band Bros.? It's something you've been doing a lot. It's rude and confrontational. You know why I didn't think you like Band Bros.? Because you are acting like you do not. I can barely find a thread where you have commented which hasn't devolved into an argument because you can't say anything nice. Stop being so hostile and maybe things like this won't happen again. |
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Post by Manspeed on Apr 11, 2015 19:26:36 GMT -5
I guess I officially have no idea what constitutes "making a big deal" or "being an ass" anymore, because I honestly didn't think I wasn't doing either of those things. Especially not regarding what I thought of Band Bros. as a 'franchise' or Barbara as a character. You're the one who blew up about it.
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Post by kirbychu on Apr 11, 2015 21:15:20 GMT -5
Manspeed, remember when you got really pissed off at me over Dixie Kong? You're sitting on my end of that conversation right now.
Everybody so mad. I voted for Jody Summer.
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Post by Manspeed on Apr 11, 2015 22:13:24 GMT -5
I guess karma finally caught up to me. I'm sorry, Kirb.  |
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Post by kirbychu on Apr 12, 2015 7:08:17 GMT -5
Hey, don't worry about it. I don't care, and I was partly at fault too. I think it's important to remember not to be too dismissive of any characters, 'cause SOMEBODY'S gonna get pissed about it. But at the same time, people are way oversensitive about it.
In other words, everybody's wrong so stop fighting.
Barbara could be interesting, though I personally don't like her at all. I'd rather see Isaac, Wonder-Red, Saki or Jill, but I don't think it's likely. I would've liked Dillon, Takamaru, the Frog Prince dude or Starfy too, but I'm assuming they're out because they're assist trophies already. If this is just based on a fan vote though, we'll probably just get another Mario or Zelda character.
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Post by Da Robot on Apr 12, 2015 9:13:18 GMT -5
Went and voted for Mike Jones and King K.Rool. Part of me feels like Mike has less of a chance because he sounds like another Ness, (eg baseball bat, some psychic attacks, yo-yo). I did mention the idea of attacks changing with the more damage he took. King K.Rool sounded a lot more unique though in my submission. I think they missed their chance in the early DS era, when it was supposed to come out Stateside. THIS. I remember back in 2004 when NoA was having a big preview event/video presentation (not E3) called the Nintendo Gamer Summit near the DS launch, showing off a bunch of DS games with a lot of new unseen content (things like the play through's and control demonstrations of Metroid Prime Hunters and showing the character unlock trailer, Super Mario 64 DS touch screen mini games, and title screen drawing mode (including writing the message I think saying "I beat Nate at Metroid"). One of the games they showed was Band Bros, and I believed showed game footage and talked about how you could have eight player music sessions with 1 copy of the game, and it seemed like a game that most certainly was going to be released. Time went on, people imported Japanese versions, then the expansion pack was released (via GBA cartridge) and what ever plans there were for a western release were just cancelled. The first year of the DS wasn't spectacular and it seemed like Band Bros could have really had it chance to shine in the West if it had been released then. |
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Post by Leon on Apr 12, 2015 14:21:39 GMT -5
There were a quite a few games that NoA were planning to localize on the DS, but then they ended up cancelling them. Jet Impulse still hurts...
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Post by Koopaul on Apr 14, 2015 4:59:06 GMT -5
Whoa didn't think my love of Barbara would start a debate. Whatever. I think she's a very distinct character with a lot going for her. Too bad about her games. Things could have been different.
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Post by Manspeed on Apr 14, 2015 10:16:33 GMT -5
In the interest of humility I decided to come up with a bunch of legitimate points against K. Rool and weigh them against various points in favor of him: Against: - At a glance, he resembles Bowser. - Without his extra costumes or his 'douchemobile' (from King of Swing) he's lacking in move potential. - Even with all those, several of his moves can potentially look redundant next to a few other characters, notably Bowser Jr. - He hasn't been in as many games as Bowser or Dedede or whoever, so there might be a little less to draw from for his various poses and actions. - Several other wanted characters, even those from Nintendo, could potentially be more unique than him, both cosmetically and mechanically. For: - If you're able to spot subtleties, you'll see that K. Rool is a different species than Bowser (crocodile instead of turtle/ox), has a much different shape (he's very bottom-heavy, with a small head), a different, almost-inverse palette (predominantly green rather than Bowser's orange), and has a few stand out accessories (his gold crown and red cape). - If they do think to throw in stuff from 'Kaptain K. Rool', 'Baron K. Roolenstein', 'Krusha K. Rool' and that machine he drives in King of Swing, that's almost enough for two move sets. - Redundancy hasn't stopped other characters from appearing (namely Lucina, Dr. Mario and Dark Pit). - Drawing from outside the games is not unheard of (Pokémon and Kirby come to mind), so they could potentially throw in some of K. Rool's antics from the Donkey Kong Country cartoon. Infamously awful as it was, it honestly did give K. Rool a clear motivation and a distinct personality; he's a scenery-chewing ponce. Almost like a reptilian Dr. Eggman. - If they went and did something drastic, such as have him appear as 'Kaptain K. Rool' the entire time, he'd look much more unique than plain ol' 'King K. Rool'. For one thing, he'd be the only pirate on the entire roster. And he'd have that spiffy blunderbuss to boot. - Star Fox got three characters in the last game and now so does Kid Icarus, while Fire Emblem has four. I think it's only fair that one of Nintendo's larger brands gets three too. - Mario, Link, Kirby, Fox, Samus, Ness and arguably Pikachu (assuming you consider Mewtwo to be a bad guy like he was back in the first Pokémon movie) all have/had their archenemies present in some form (remember: you can still fight Ridley and Pokey even if you can't play as them!), so I think it's high time DK got his too. As you can see, I had a bit of difficulty coming up with a sizable number of 'Against' points. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Apr 21, 2015 0:42:35 GMT -5
- Mario, Link, Kirby, Fox, Samus, Ness and arguably Pikachu (assuming you consider Mewtwo to be a bad guy like he was back in the first Pokémon movie) all have/had their archenemies present in some form (remember: you can still fight Ridley and Pokey even if you can't play as them!), so I think it's high time DK got his too. In Melee, Mewtwo counted since Mewtwo Strikes Back was relatively recent (1998-2001...) and Mewtwo was the only real Pokemon villain (...with every movie in between MSB and Melee featuring a human antagonist.) Now? Not so much. Still counts in the grand scheme of things, though. - Drawing from outside the games is not unheard of (Pokémon and Kirby come to mind), so they could potentially throw in some of K. Rool's antics from the Donkey Kong Country cartoon. Infamously awful as it was, it honestly did give K. Rool a clear motivation and a distinct personality; he's a scenery-chewing ponce. Almost like a reptilian Dr. Eggman. Oh, come on now. That cartoon was only truly awful in one regard and that's the horrifying '90s CGI. IMDB certainly agrees that it's at least a 3/5 (though the written reviews do trend down, I notice.) All told, it could be worse, and I would argue that it's one of the few video game adaptations which doesn't suck outright. Case in point, K. Rool's antics. |
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Post by kirbychu on Apr 21, 2015 6:06:45 GMT -5
Oh, come on now. That cartoon was only truly awful in one regard and that's the horrifying '90s CGI. IMDB certainly agrees that it's at least a 3/5 (though the written reviews do trend down, I notice.) All told, it could be worse, and I would argue that it's one of the few video game adaptations which doesn't suck outright. Case in point, K. Rool's antics. Wow, really? I honestly struggle to find a redeeming quality in the DKC show. The writing, acting, design, animation and music were all completely atrocious. By far the worst animated video game adaptation I've ever seen. By far. |
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Post by Manspeed on Apr 21, 2015 17:40:27 GMT -5
DiC's Mario was worse.
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Post by kirbychu on Apr 21, 2015 21:16:01 GMT -5
Eh, I don't know if I'd agree with that... I'd say those Mario shows had some charm in that they captured the feel of the early games pretty well. They also had way better animation and design than DKC. The music was definitely better, but that's mostly because it was just built on Koji Kondo's work. The acting wasn't that bad either. Actually, forget it, I definitely wouldn't agree with that. XD
I mean, it's hard to translate a video game to a TV show format without disappointing people. And people who are more or less attached to the series already are gonna have differing opinions on it. But, stepping back and looking at it objectively, completely ignoring any other Donkey Kong media... I'd say it's definitely the worst video game-based TV show I've ever seen. It takes a lot to make Sonic Underground look good, but they pulled it off.
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