Post by Nester the Lark on Jun 12, 2019 10:53:12 GMT -5
So, Just Dance 2020 is coming to the original Wii (but actually skipping the Wii U this year). It's not surprising at this point, but I was thinking about the implications.
If Ubisoft still finds it worth their time and resources to create a Wii version of Just Dance, then that means it must still be selling really well. And that means that there are a significant number of people who never moved past the original Wii, and to this day, still use it as their Just Dance box.
Either that, or a large number of collectors are buying it solely for the novelty.
But it also marks 13 years of official support for the Wii. This matches the length of time that games were officially released for the Atari VCS/2600 (1977-1990, although some sources say the final game came out in 1989), and one year shy of the 14 years the Neo Geo was supported (1990-2004).
The Wii is one of the longest officially supported game consoles in history, and could go for the record if Ubisoft keeps this up for two more years.
Post by nocturnal YL on Jun 12, 2019 11:04:30 GMT -5
Well, considering that Mario Kart Wii sales is still going on for some reason, I guess it does make sense to keep making Just Dance. It probably doesn't take them much development time since it's easy to import data that are needed for other versions anyway and make no program changes. so the only problem left is whether it still makes sense to make physical discs.
I've seen a community facility that still has a Dreamcast and a PS1 for the kids there to play. So I guess games for old systems do have a market, provided said systems have a large install base.
Mario Kart Wii's sale after all these years is still crazy. I think there was some fact it sold a million copies in the 11 month time period of Mk8 E3 2013 reveal to it's 2014 May release. That's for a 5-6 year old game (that still had MK7 available and the pending MK8 for sequels) is pretty impressive. Then from March 2018 to Mar 2019 it sold another 100,000 (compared to MK8 20,000), at that point the game is 11 years old has no (official) online multiplayer mode anymore and now exists in a world where MK8 Deluxe exists. To top it off these are all physical copies, there is no downloadable MK Wii version (not even on Wii U's eShop).
Think about those numbers when you have a struggling dev trying to get a newly released good game past their 1st million sold. There really is a large quiet audience of causal owners who refuse to upgrade their hardware or because it still works.
Nester the Lark: I was thinking how I considered the original Donkey Kong Country to be a generic Super Mario Bros clone with fancy graphics, but SMB Wonder only just caught up to the level of quality that DKC Tropical Freeze gave us almost a decade ago.
Nov 20, 2023 14:57:21 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: This is surprising. I see DKC as the least Mario-like platformer to feature a Mario character. The Wario Land games still feature Mario-style blocks and pipes, for example, while DKC lacks many Mario elements.
Nov 21, 2023 8:16:55 GMT -5
Nester the Lark: True that DKC lacks a lot of specific Mario-like details, but it has the basic gameplay in that you run, jump, and defeat enemies by landing on them. I didn't see it as having much more than this, thus why I considered it generic.
Nov 21, 2023 9:27:07 GMT -5
Evie ❤✿: Yeah, psychologically there is a 'first example' thing. When something new is released and is thought to be innovative, and becomes popular it can lead to comparing newer games to be like it (so we have newer genres like "Metroidvania").
Nov 24, 2023 18:28:16 GMT -5
Evie ❤✿: I find it interesting with platformers, it's less often that we regard platform games after Mario as "Mario-like". On this note, I also find it interesting how certain genres are treated differently.
Nov 24, 2023 18:29:32 GMT -5
Evie ❤✿: In addition to the "platform" (rather than Mario-like) and Metroidvania examples (incidentally there were games like Metroid and Castlevania before their release), some games are seen as "rip-offs" if people think they're too similar.
Nov 24, 2023 18:31:26 GMT -5
Evie ❤✿: An example is how some people treat Fossil Fighters, Robopon, Yo-Kai Watch as Pokémon 'rip-offs' or clones, and the 'monster-battling' genre is often seen as less 'mainstream' than something like 'platformer'.
Nov 24, 2023 18:32:39 GMT -5
Evie ❤✿: Also on that note, often people on databases, wikis, etc. stick to only a few genre labels like "platform", "arcade", "fighting", "racing" etc. but there are many more ways to describe a game.
Nov 24, 2023 18:35:03 GMT -5
Evie ❤✿: The developers may choose to advertise their game using their own genre, so for instance Starfy was given the label "marine action" in Japan rather than "platformer". I think in essence these don't exist in isolation though.
Nov 24, 2023 18:36:28 GMT -5
Evie ❤✿: It also reminds me of how there was apparently a debate on whether NES The Legend of Zelda is an adventure game or RPG (or something like that).
Nov 24, 2023 18:37:27 GMT -5
Nester the Lark: Happy 6th anniversary to my favorite RPG, Xenoblade Chronicles 2!
Nov 30, 2023 20:54:33 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: The Super Mario Bros. Wonder speedruns don't feel much like Mario speedruns. Any% takes more than 80 minutes, and features slow Wonder Seed segments and a lot of loading time. They're rather boring to watch compared to even the New SMB games.
Dec 2, 2023 6:08:10 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: I've got a lot of Nintendo Switch demos that I haven't got to play. At this rate I'll never clear my backlog even if I don't buy anything.
Dec 2, 2023 10:36:45 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: I've finally finished Ciel nosurge DX. Its end is directly connected to the beginning of Ion's part in Ar nosurge DX, which means I'll have to play through that to experience the whole story.
Dec 2, 2023 12:45:14 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: Going through everything takes more time than finishing an entire quadrilogy in the Atelier series. I think it'll be another few months before I even touch another game.
Dec 2, 2023 12:46:32 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: Also, this is of no use to most people reading this, but Surge Concerto confusingly has save data bonus that goes both ways. To experience the story in chronological order, do Sekai Link in Ar nosurge DX as soon as possible, then play Ciel nosurge DX.
Dec 2, 2023 13:05:55 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: Any advice you find online about needing to advance Ar nosurge's story to a certain point does not apply to the DX version. Just make the save data and leave it behind to avoid Ciel nosurge spoilers and not understanding Ar nosurge's story.
Dec 2, 2023 13:07:17 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: (By the way, the PS3 and PS Vita versions of Ar nosurge is available in English, but not Ciel nosurge. The DX version is entirely Japan-only. I have much to complain when it comes to localisation for both Gust and the whole of KOEI TECMO GAMES.)
Dec 2, 2023 13:12:43 GMT -5
Nester the Lark: Been a bit busy recently and haven't had a chance to respond to things until now.
Dec 7, 2023 10:50:24 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: Stories I've read that deal with fantasy races tend to have only a few named members in those races, and those tend to be outlier individuals. We don't get to know generic members in great detail. One exception is Xenoblade, which does the exact opposite.
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