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Post by Ace_ETP on Oct 14, 2004 14:16:55 GMT -5
Hi, Glen. I'm the guy who called your site corporate. I'm sorry; now I've been there some more and I know that it's not. And you seem to be trying as much as possible to calm everyobne down and answer their questions.
I think I was mostly concerned if all those things that made me love NinDB would be in the new site, but it seems (according to things you and Fryguy said) the reason you wanted to merge with NinDB in the first place was because of those things. So I think we're sure to see the SSBM Trophy Guide, the cameos and references and the franchise lists again, and I'm really looking forward for the Nintendo Stars section (and the NinDB spirit in general) to live on, merge or no merge. I think the "text box with submit button thing" is a great idea.
Go ahead with the whole thing. I think you have everyone's blessing.
Could God let me stop sounding pretentious?
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Post by selection on Oct 14, 2004 19:06:34 GMT -5
I received an offer today from a particular news website to merge the content of the two. Now this isn't the first time this has happened, and I've always declined... so far... But the offer comes from a site that I am a regular visitor to, because they share the same ethos as NinDB towards game coverage, with a lot of focus on Nintendo-published software. They have also already implemented a lot of ideas I had for NinDB, and to be honest, I would have just nicked their content. The offer is not based on money. It is based on content sharing. I am becoming a creepy Nintendo factoid man, and someone wants a creepy Nintendo factoid man. More importantly, they have a large, good-quality readership. Pretty much like I have here, but larger. That's important, because as the actual games lists became completed, it has been outside contributions and suggestions that helped Nintendo Database grow into a kind of mad Nintendo realm. So obviously I love you guys, because you fix my errors, and come up with good ideas... so I am asking YOU! Should I say goodbye to my three-year old, one-manned barge, and climb aboard a massive seagoing vessel with a full crew? Now, this isn't finalised yet, I'll make that clear... they offered it to me, but they might decide I'm an ass with too many conditions (I gave them a list). I will post the name and address of the site as it looks like something may be finalised (although some of you may have already guessed what the site is), but I guarantee this offer was different to the previous offers I've had. They can help me, and I can certainly help them! But only if I'm allowed to keep my cameo pages  wow impresseive speaking of which your site is far cool you ubdate alot since lots of cool (other sites only ubdated till along time aog) keep up the good work and oh ya you should also make a section called Nintendo history or somethin |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 15, 2004 4:18:26 GMT -5
Ace_ETP, like I said earlier those things will follow... but the SSBM trophy guide will be worked into the cameos page, rather than being a whole separate section. This would have happened regardless of the move. It's just too big (and unnecessarily so), so if I decided to overhaul the site layout that's 300 pages on top of the 750 that would have to be changed. As for anyone else reading this, I suggest you read Glen's bit and continue posting your comments and suggestions. My mind has started wavering, but that's because my mind is an undecicive little critter. Can't be helped. By tonight I will make my FINAL decision (to prevent me changing my mind further), and either: A) The ball will be rolling, and I'll be able to start working on N-Data a little, or something like that, before the weekend is over. Or... B) I will stay here and cuddle my precious... my preciooouusssssss.... |
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Post by Anubis on Oct 15, 2004 4:32:18 GMT -5
First off I would just like to say that i am already a regular to both this site(duh) and N-sider, and I like both sites very much.
I really have no strong opinion either way but I would kind of prefer the NinDB to remain a seperate entity. I do understand though that this site, while not being a burden, is very hard for one person to maintain, and if that is the major reason for your wanting to merge then I believe you should go ahead and do so. I would rather the info be somewhere then for you to get burned out on this and drop this site someday, not that I believe you would ever do so willingly. Granted the NinDB does have its own personality and style that I would miss if you do decide to merge.
Well thats my two cents, please ignore any spelling and grammar mistakes, its almost 5 am here.
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Post by Slink E on Oct 15, 2004 17:08:40 GMT -5
No. I said it. I don't like the merge idea. Yes, N-Sider's a good site, but could you not merge, unless they give a seperate subsite to you. There's nothing like seeing the cool Splash Images (although "ReggieRock" was a bit tacky for my tastes), unless you could browse by box art, or something like that, because it just doesn't make sense. Unless N-Sider had something else cool, like a better news format, or covered 3rd party games, forget it. Fryguy64, please, do not merge. And don't, don't merge the forums. It would be nice if you formed an "alliance" though.  |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Oct 15, 2004 17:22:00 GMT -5
No. I said it. I don't like the merge idea. Yes, N-Sider's a good site, but could you not merge, unless they give a seperate subsite to you. There's nothing like seeing the cool Splash Images (although "ReggieRock" was a bit tacky for my tastes), unless you could browse by box art, or something like that, because it just doesn't make sense. Unless N-Sider had something else cool, like a better news format, or covered 3rd party games, forget it. Fryguy64, please, do not merge. And don't, don't merge the forums. It would be nice if you formed an "alliance" though. You better watch out or Reggie will come here, kick your ass, and take your name. |
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Post by Glen on Oct 15, 2004 23:34:14 GMT -5
I can feel with you Slink E. I would say those splash images are yet another aspect of this site's personality. And is definitely something I would like to see continued (here or on N-Sider). This is why I contacted Mark in the first place - this site's personality originates from the person who created it. Therefore, I think that wherever Mark decides to travel, that tangible personality will follow him, because afterall, it is him. But ultimately, the decision is up to Mark. And I will wholly support whatever decision he chooses. Sure I'll be disappointed, I won't lie, but I'll be comforted to know that NinDB, Mark's vision, is living on in one form or another. And, by the way, we also very much have the capability of covering third-party titles (if we choose). www.n-sider.com/mastergame.php?system=11®ion=1&letter=D |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 16, 2004 5:17:39 GMT -5
I'm faltering on this, and I'm not sure why. Maybe I'm just being shown a lot of things I didn't know before, like people's love of the site's layout/personality, or the love of these forums. Maybe it's because I'm thinking I would be happier with some kind of partnership (affiliation, perhaps?)
After all, my relationship with my affiliates is more than just a link on my menu... I keep in contact with them, we share interesting information between us all, and get on well.
There's a couple of other little niggles as well, mainly concerning the future, and various other little (inconsolable) things that might not work... things like how having so many staff members might lead to something going wrong, then what? What if the guy who does all the site's programming decides to quit while he's ahead? Or if the site's reputation is damaged by a rogue staff member or something?
You have to remember that the only multi-staffed site I've worked on was Super Mario Bros. Headquarters, and there were ALWAYS problems, even though I always had a good level of freedom on it. I hate internal politics, but they're almost always unavoidable.
Anyway, my worries are finally forming into something or other. But who knows? In a day I might have swung back the other way.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 16, 2004 5:23:26 GMT -5
(although "ReggieRock" was a bit tacky for my tastes) HEY!! ...Yeah, alright, it was horribly tacky. I apologise for any damage caused to the brain by it. But I just HAD to have some kind of Reggie splash sooner or later.  I hear there's a reference to Reggie's E3 speech in Paper Mario - Goombella says: "You need to kick tail, and need to take some names." |
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Post by ModestMrGreen on Oct 16, 2004 5:33:18 GMT -5
Wow. And I mean, wow. I'm from the forums at Nintendo.com, and I just really felt that I needed to put my two-cents in before it was too late (if it isn't already)!
I have been coming here for about two years, starting when I stumbled upon it at sometime, and now I am seeing that a merger may be taking place...it does kind of perplex me, really.
Glen...although I must confess that I have just gone to N-Sider for the first time, if their's one thing I'm concerned about (and a lot of other people are, I see) is that in the NinDB, you can really see where everything is, and you can get there pretty easily. However, on N-Sider, everything kind of feels a bit isolated.
However, N-Sider seemed pretty solid during my visit, which makes me feel a bit better.
So, Glen, here are my questions.
1. What content from both sites (if any) would most liely be lost in the merge?
2. Would there be anyway these forums could exist within N-Sider itself?
I think that those are really my major concerns with this merger...well, that and..
...well, I've loved watching the NinDB grow. However...I dread that it may grow too much during this merger as N-Sider, and a lot of its spirit could be lost.
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Thanks, anybody who reads this. Again, I hope I'm not too late. Thanks for creating this piece of work, Fryguy64!
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Post by mrfindlay on Oct 16, 2004 5:57:00 GMT -5
Is there no way you could have a months trail period first? I mean like, go a join N-Sider but leave this website open, but post all of your updates on N-Sider. Then if after a month if you are not happy post all of the update here and forget about N-Sider. On the other hand if you really prefer work with N-Sider the delete the Nintendo Database forever.
While I don't know you personally, but from reading your posts, I get the impression that you would rather be working with in a group environment, while still being allowed to be an individual and N-Sider appears to be giving you that opportunity.
I also made a comment about the forums but I wasn't saying that the N-Sider forums have any flaming or trolls, I was saying the Nintendo Database forums don't. The only other forum that I go to is the Gaming Ages forum, and while it always has the latest news and information, it is a much more hostile environment that this forum.
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Post by coco on Oct 17, 2004 7:22:31 GMT -5
while this news is kind of sad I think that N-sider is a good choice. You know that IGN have content sharing with n-sider too? I hope this doesn't get snaped up by them somewhere down the line. You seem to have integrity with what you do and I'll certainly be going to n-sider to check it out if the deal goes ahead. I'm glad your trying to keep the special articles and hopefully all the info on nintendo's pre-gaming history will stay as this is one of my favorate sections. I'm sure you'll do the right thing.
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Post by Wildcat on Oct 17, 2004 11:45:41 GMT -5
Hi. After reading what I just read, I'm a bit upset about the possibility of one of my favorite sites becoming one with another. Since I discovered the site earlier this year, I have fallen in love with it, due to the massive amounts of Nintendo coverage and the knowledge that someone put all of their effort into creating this monster site alone. It makes mine look rather tiny in comparison. Recently, the additions of niche features like the Nintendo Stars and the Dolphin references, plus others, have been interesting and entertaining to read. I didn't realize there were so many Dolphin references.  I think I have been to N-sider.com once in my web life, and I don't remember it at all, sadly. I assume that the site is of quality, or else you wouldn't even be thinking of this. In my opinion, I get the feeling that much of what you have built may become lost in the web of a larger site. For one, while you may join the staff, it will be harder to find YOUR particular articles, and I doubt you'll get your own section on the menu to make it easier for NinDB fans to find (of course, I could be wrong). Plus, a lot of the site's interface, which is easy to navigate, will vanish into theirs, making it a bit more difficult to find what you want (again, I could be mistaken). Lastly, as you mentioned above, you would lose what is yours on the internet, and become one of we. That may not be a bad thing, but as I said above, one reason why I like this site is due to the charm and personality that comes from it. I get a sense that this may be lost in a merge. I read all of the above posts, and Glen does sound like a nice guy who is willing to help you out, but I just get the gut feeling that the magic of NinDB will vanish in the merging with any other site. Of course, it is your decision to do this, and I will change the link on my site from here to there if need be, but I for one will mourn the death of the site if it should occur. I haven't seen any other site as dedicated and loyal to the Nintendo faithful online built by one person, and I'd hate to see it go. Thank you for your time (and I may join, if the forums stay open ) |
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Post by Morgan Lamia on Oct 17, 2004 13:58:40 GMT -5
I agree with everything that Wildcat stated.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 17, 2004 15:21:44 GMT -5
Well, so far we've had the doubters who don't want the merge, the doubters who think the merge won't necessarily mean the end of the world, and then me - in the middle somewhere not quite sure. I'm so glad to see so many non-members have turned up to have their say, and please note that NOTHING is decided yet. I've also been talking with a number of my affiliates on the matter, and many of them think NinDB should remain a standalone project. My readers here seem to think it would be best to stand alone, but that if I WERE to merge then I could do worse than N-Sider. But most of you seem to love these forums and love Nintendo Database just the way it is. So do I.....  |
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I think I have been to N-sider.com once in my web life, and I don't remember it at all, sadly. I assume that the site is of quality, or else you wouldn't even be thinking of this. In my opinion, I get the feeling that much of what you have built may become lost in the web of a larger site. For one, while you may join the staff, it will be harder to find YOUR particular articles, and I doubt you'll get your own section on the menu to make it easier for NinDB fans to find (of course, I could be wrong). Plus, a lot of the site's interface, which is easy to navigate, will vanish into theirs, making it a bit more difficult to find what you want (again, I could be mistaken). Lastly, as you mentioned above, you would lose what is yours on the internet, and become one of we. That may not be a bad thing, but as I said above, one reason why I like this site is due to the charm and personality that comes from it. I get a sense that this may be lost in a merge. I read all of the above posts, and Glen does sound like a nice guy who is willing to help you out, but I just get the gut feeling that the magic of NinDB will vanish in the merging with any other site. Of course, it is your decision to do this, and I will change the link on my site from here to there if need be, but I for one will mourn the death of the site if it should occur. I haven't seen any other site as dedicated and loyal to the Nintendo faithful online built by one person, and I'd hate to see it go. Thank you for your time (and I may join, if the forums stay open 
