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Post by kirbychu on Dec 16, 2004 9:21:24 GMT -5
Why couldn't Kraid be the size he was in the original Metroid? Have you played Super Metroid? I'm pretty sure Nintendo don't really want to draw attention to Kraid's size in Metroid... after all, isn't he huge in Zero Mission? I'm pretty sure I saw that in a screenshot... And... to be honest... I haven't actually FINISHED a Metroid game yet, although I have played pretty far through them all... I'm about to finish Prime, as soon as I get over my fear of the Fission Metroids in the Impact Crater. ;D |
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Post by missingno.is back? on Dec 16, 2004 14:17:33 GMT -5
Well, they could probably make up moves for Kraid, but there's still the size problem. The thing I've noticed about SSBM is that the characters don't have to be scaled to characters from other games (this doesn't seem to apply to Pokémon, though). For example, stand Mario next to Pikachu... Pikachu is supposed to be 1'4" or something... which would make Mario a total midget. But stand Mario next to Luigi, Peach and Bowser and they all look about right. Kraid would have to be scaled to Samus, which would just be rediculous. Besides, it's not like he isn't in SSBM already. Mother Brain is a problem because as far as I'm aware, Mother Brain CAN'T MOVE AT ALL. They probably would scale him down, but that'd be silly. And the Pokémon being scaled is probably the reason why Wailord isn't available in a Pokéball... and probably won't considering Wailord = Ruby/Sapphire and Melee came before Ruby/Sapphire. |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Dec 16, 2004 19:09:25 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Nintendo don't really want to draw attention to Kraid's size in Metroid... after all, isn't he huge in Zero Mission? I'm pretty sure I saw that in a screenshot... And... to be honest... I haven't actually FINISHED a Metroid game yet, although I have played pretty far through them all... I'm about to finish Prime, as soon as I get over my fear of the Fission Metroids in the Impact Crater. ;D Nintnedo doesn't seem to really care about the size of characters changing. Look at Bowser, in some games he's just slightly bigger then Mario, then comes Super Mario Sunshine. 0_0 But other characters have also gotten size adjustments in SSB. Kirby is bigger I think. Mewtwo is smaller. And if Olimar is ever in SSB he'll have to be MUCH bigger. |
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Post by kirbychu on Dec 17, 2004 6:06:39 GMT -5
Kirby is 8 inches tall. So yes, he is bigger than he should be in SSBM. But he's not seen next to characters like Mario or Link in his own games, so it doesn't matter much. If King Dedede was playable in SSBM, for example, it'd look strange if they weren't roughly scaled to each other. That's what I meant. Mewtwo seems to be the only character that doesn't apply to. And Pichu, possibly, but I'm not sure.
Bowser's size doesn't seem to matter that much. He seems to grow or shrink depending on his mood. After all, he's A LOT smaller in Sunshine's ending than he is during the final boss. ;D
Remember the machine in Paper Mario that made him bigger for the final battle? Maybe that's the answer...
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Post by Fryguy64 on Dec 17, 2004 9:04:44 GMT -5
What about Mario's appearance in Kirby Super Star. If Kirby is 8 inches tall, that would make Mario around 11 inches tall. I think the whole 8 inches tall thing is strange. In the Kirby games all of the characters are in perfect proportion to their world. Besides, it's not size that counts... it's how hard you suck.  |
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Post by Xeno82 on Dec 17, 2004 9:59:40 GMT -5
Mother Brain is a problem because as far as I'm aware, Mother Brain CAN'T MOVE AT ALL. Mother Brain can definitely move, and it's scary as hell when she does. |
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Post by Adlubescence on Dec 18, 2004 20:49:09 GMT -5
I'm incredibly bored, so here's my edits to the roster.
K.O.'d
-Pichu (So it damages itself? That's...useful...
-Young Link (clone)
-Dr. Mario (clone)
-Falco (clone)
-Zelda (Since when can she defend herself?)
-Peach (If she can beat Bowser in SSBM, why doesn't she do that in the other Games?)
Change
-Ganondorrf (Make use of that huge-ass sword!)
-Roy/Marth (I doubt that elite swordsman only know five attacks between themselves.)
-Luigi (The torpedo attack is a step in the right direction...)
Add
-King Dedede (Kirby's inhale {without the absorb part}, and when he exhales them, BLAMMO!)
-Space Pirate (C'mon! Where are they?)
-Kaptain K. Rool (Two words: Donkey Kong Country Two Boss Battle)
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Dec 19, 2004 8:41:22 GMT -5
I'm incredibly bored, so here's my edits to the roster. K.O.'d-Pichu (So it damages itself? That's...useful... -Young Link (clone) -Dr. Mario (clone) -Falco (clone) -Zelda (Since when can she defend herself?) -Peach (If she can beat Bowser in SSBM, why doesn't she do that in the other Games?) Change-Ganondorrf (Make use of that huge-ass sword!) -Roy/Marth (I doubt that elite swordsman only know five attacks between themselves.) -Luigi (The torpedo attack is a step in the right direction...) Add-King Dedede (Kirby's inhale {without the absorb part}, and when he exhales them, BLAMMO!) -Space Pirate (C'mon! Where are they?) -Kaptain K. Rool (Two words: Donkey Kong Country Two Boss Battle) What's wrong with Falco? He's really popular, taking him out would make people mad. And if you're only including characters that are of equal strength, then everyone but Mewtwo should be taken out. And I don't think Space Pirates are a good idea. They are just a common enemy. I'd be like including a Goomba, or a Redead, or something like that. They'd be cool as an enemy in Adventure mode, tough. |
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Post by Ace_ETP on Dec 19, 2004 12:11:00 GMT -5
And I don't think Space Pirates are a good idea. They are just a common enemy. I'd be like including a Goomba, or a Redead, or something like that. And what about Yoshi, Pikachu, Jigglypuff and Pichu? They are selectable characters, and from their Trophy entries they seem to be in the game more as representants of their species than as specific individuals. There is no indication that the Yoshi in SSBM is the green Yoshi from SM64 and spin-off games or that the Pikachu is Ash's Pikachu. And I agree with not removing Falco, but his moveset, along with Ganondorf's and Roy's movesets must definetely be changed. It's needless to say that Dr. Mario, Pichu and Young Link need to be removed. Too many selectable characters would hurt the game. With the removal of some and the addition of some others, there should be about 30 characters. And then, as I've said before, there should be special characters than would only appear in special modes when you play as certain characters, and you shouldn't be able to unlock them as regular fighters. But it would be nice if there was a special mode where you could play as them. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Dec 19, 2004 12:54:15 GMT -5
Maybe it could be heroes vs. villains (I'm sure I've said this already), so split the characters evenly so there's the same number of good characters as bad characters. It would mean purging some.
I couldn't say I'm fussed about Falco. I'd much rather see his best bits moved (back) to Fox... like his blaster. Falco is just too samey, and Fox NEEDS to be there.
The heroes vs. villains thing could work well as a new "gimmick" for SSB. And clearly everyone wants to play as the bad guys. Wario, Dedede, K. Rool, Ridley, Mother Brain... these are the characters everyone wants to see next time. Everyone wants Ganondorf to make use of his big bastard sword as well. Could be an idea.
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Dec 19, 2004 18:01:44 GMT -5
And what about Yoshi, Pikachu, Jigglypuff and Pichu? They are selectable characters, and from their Trophy entries they seem to be in the game more as representants of their species than as specific individuals. There is no indication that the Yoshi in SSBM is the green Yoshi from SM64 and spin-off games or that the Pikachu is Ash's Pikachu. And I agree with not removing Falco, but his moveset, along with Ganondorf's and Roy's movesets must definetely be changed. It's needless to say that Dr. Mario, Pichu and Young Link need to be removed. Too many selectable characters would hurt the game. With the removal of some and the addition of some others, there should be about 30 characters. And then, as I've said before, there should be special characters than would only appear in special modes when you play as certain characters, and you shouldn't be able to unlock them as regular fighters. But it would be nice if there was a special mode where you could play as them. I'm pretty sure Yoshi is the Yoshi named Yoshi. Why would it be any other Yoshi? As for the Pokemon...I think that series is a little different from others. For games that don't really have any characters that are in every game they have to go with the mascot, like Custom Robo would get Ray. But Metroid, which already has serveral cool characters already why bother with enemies that are only there to be killed? Pokemon at least have a more important part in thier game. That'd be pretty cool. But by "Hero vs. Villian" do you just mean the main hero and villian or are others included? I thought that's what you meant, but then you mentioned Ridley. |
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Post by Adlubescence on Dec 19, 2004 19:47:25 GMT -5
The thing about including Ridley is just the whole size issue.
Having him as an event (like Kraid or the rest of the Star Fox Team) would definitely be interesting.
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Post by legendofnintendo on Dec 19, 2004 22:00:22 GMT -5
(first post) ;D
I think a good Metriod villian would be Dark Samus or SA-X. They could move like Samus but have ice/dark/light/wave beams. And what of Meta Knight? I know he's a secondary villian but he could be so much popular than Dedede. He could fly like Kirby but fight like Marth.
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Post by Blueberry_pie on Dec 20, 2004 7:53:25 GMT -5
And what of Meta Knight? I know he's a secondary villian but he could be so much popular than Dedede. He could fly like Kirby but fight like Marth. I know Meta Knight was a bad guy in previous Kirby games, but wasn't he one of the good guys in Kirby and the Amazing Mirror? I haven't played much of that game but I remember something about Meta Knight wanting to help Kirby with the mirror... I could be remembering wrong though. |
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Post by kirbychu on Dec 20, 2004 8:04:42 GMT -5
I know Meta Knight was a bad guy in previous Kirby games, but wasn't he one of the good guys in Kirby and the Amazing Mirror? I haven't played much of that game but I remember something about Meta Knight wanting to help Kirby with the mirror... I could be remembering wrong though. Depends... In Kirby Super Star he was a bad guy, but in other games and the TV series he's not... he just works for King Dedede and has to follow orders... I think... |
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