Mario Party 7

[Smashchu]

I'm not debating that the boards add space between the minigames. What I'm debating is that the boards are horrendously boring and destroy any chance I have of ever enjoying a Mario Party game.

Your just full of hate.
Minigames don't have to be relentless, as they are in WarioWare. It's just the whole boardgame aspect is so random and time consuming of it.

First, As ive already said its random, but not enough to effect the outcome, if fact if it does you either a)have bad luck or b)Suck.Seconly ITS A BOARD GAME, so if its Time-consuming great; it did its job.

they might as well just skip the whole thing and stick in a roulette wheel followed by the usual minigame menu so people can read the rules, practice or play for coins - just as they do now, but without the painful experience of the rest
Wouldn't that make itrelentless.

I think your hating, just to be hating, and thats not kool. Srry to be argumentive, but it seems you really dont have a legit reason to hate this game(or have had a REALLY BAD experence in a MP game. That would do it.).

[Dances in Undergarments]

Personally, the main reason I don't like the game because it is slow. Thats a legitimate reason. Fryguy 's main reasons for disliking it are because it is slow and winning requires no skill, just luck (which I agree is a problem, I just wouldn't call it the main problem like Fryguy seems to). They are both legitimate reasons.

Its no more or less legit to say "I hate the game because its slow" than it is to say "I love this game because its 'kool'". Thats whats great about opinions.

[Fryguy64]

I'm not full of hate. I simply see fault in a game that isn't fun for the vast majority, myself included - You may have noticed how the internet collectively rolls its eyes and groans when a new Mario Party is announced.

I have given my reasons for not liking the MP series. It's slow, it doesn't sufficiently reward skill thanks to too many random factors, and it makes you sit through all that before you can enjoy the minigames.

I would say my last few posts have gone into a little more detail than me just saying I hate it because I hate it. What you're doing is saying that my criticisms aren't valid because they are criticisms, which is in itself a ridiculous thing to assert. OF COURSE they're criticisms. I dislike the fundamental game mechanic in the MP series for the reasons given. They annoy me, and they annoy a lot of people.

This started because someone asked for criticisms against the game that don't focus on the repetitiveness. I have done that - because the only issue I have with the fact there are 8 MP games out there (inc. GBA version) is that they continue to churn them out with the same problems year-on-year. I have illustrated what I believe these problems to be, and even (along with DiU) how these could be solved to make the series more palettable to those who don't enjoy them.

But you are rejecting them because you refuse to accept opinions different to your own, and when the criticisms keep coming, you palm it off as irrational hatred. If that's where this is going, this debate is over.

[Boo Destroyer]

Okay, so your general opinion on Mario Party is that the boards take too long and that the randomness is annoying. Yes, we get it.

[Fryguy64]

God, don't start getting indignant. I was enjoying this debate until it descended into utter hypocrisy.

[Boo Destroyer]

Yes, I understand and I know how it is. I've nothing against what you're saying, really. But in all honesty, the boards are the heart of the series and they will never go.

While you have your points, smashchu, you gotta realize that FG is not blatantly bashing Mario Party.

And the boards in MP6 and 7 aren't half bad either.

[Saim]

I got MP6, and then luckily we had a flood and the Mic. broke. Now luckily instead of selling it second-hand for $50AUD or less, I'll get it insured for $100AUD.

Mario Party is probably the only Big-N owned game I'm gonna skip.

Wait a sec... I just thought of something uncanny ... there is no Mario Party on the DS! I mean, with the success of the DS, and the mass production of MP, I'm surprised there isn't two yet.

[Sqrt2]

Knowing nintendo and hudson, I'll bet that Mario Party DS is in the pipeline already.

[Boo Destroyer]

smashchu2 said:

First, As ive already said its random, but not enough to effect the outcome, if fact if it does you either a)have bad luck or b)Suck.Seconly ITS A BOARD GAME, so if its Time-consuming great; it did its job.

Couldn't have said it better myself. How dare you turn a blind eye to the real deal?! ;D

Besides, the only reason MP gets criticized so much is because it's developed by Hudson. They just really suck at making good Mario games. Edit: Okay, so it isn't.

[Boo Destroyer]

admin said:

You may have noticed how the internet collectively rolls its eyes and groans when a new Mario Party is announced.

Yeah, 99.9% of them being retards who suck at providing a more legitimate argument about it. But at least you managed to do so, despite your subsequent regurgitation of your primary reason.

[Fryguy64]

My main problem with the way this topic went is that you requested reasons for not liking Mario Party that didn't focus on things like "they release one every year", I submitted a bunch of reasons, and they were openly rejected as real reasons at all by some members of the forum.

I'm not trying to convert you to my way of thinking, I was simply illustrating the reasons I don't like the MP games. I wish you guys had extended the same courtesy.

I don't think the inability to exactly explain why you don't like MP qualifies someone as a retard. I imagine all those people who don't like them pretty much share the same reasons at me - but don't have five years of English and Philosophy study behind them to articulate their views.

In fact, despite being on the "other side" of this debate, the pro-MP argument in this thread really is no better than the typical anti-MP argument.

And I don't think Hudson being involved has anything to do with it. They produced Wario Blast, after all... and everyone loves Wario Blast ;D

[Boo Destroyer]

admin said:

My main problem with the way this topic went is that you requested reasons for not liking Mario Party that didn't focus on things like "they release one every year", I submitted a bunch of reasons, and they were openly rejected as real reasons at all by some members of the forum.

I'm not trying to convert you to my way of thinking, I was simply illustrating the reasons I don't like the MP games. I wish you guys had extended the same courtesy.

I don't think the inability to exactly explain why you don't like MP qualifies someone as a retard. I imagine all those people who don't like them pretty much share the same reasons at me - but don't have five years of English and Philosophy study behind them to articulate their views.

In fact, despite being on the "other side" of this debate, the pro-MP argument in this thread really is no better than the typical anti-MP argument.

And I don't think Hudson being involved has anything to do with it. They produced Wario Blast, after all... and everyone loves Wario Blast ;D

I accepted them. Heh, since when did I say you were converting us? I knew you weren't. We're not converting you either. Smashchu just needed to not wuss out from this argument with lame backup like, "you're full of hate" (it's obvious that you're not) just because you criticize MP. He has to stand up like a man already! ;D

In all seriousness, I have nothing against your opinions of it. What I was implying there just now is that most MP critics always give the same reasons to bash the series like "too many sequels" and "the same thing all the time", thinking as if those deal it sufficient damage and that they've never been stated before (I think I said this before, but...). And that that is a huge contradiction right there (go figure), which can make them very easy to stereotype, as they never give any other reasons to criticize it than those. Everytime I hear those when I ask them why it sucks, I just laugh my arse off and move on. So no, they don't share the same reasons as you.

When someone says that they "hate" something, they just say that and refuse to give any other reasons. But narrowing down its atrocities to a T is NOT construed as "hating".

So I commend you for not living up to that stereotype and providing good reasons.

[TrustTheFungus]

admin said:

In fact, despite being on the "other side" of this debate, the pro-MP argument in this thread really is no better than the typical anti-MP argument.

I think my argument was pretty good. I like eating while I play Mario Party. =(

[Fryguy64]

Well, I'm about done with this topic methinks. I think it was the "I'm full of hate" and "I'm obviously impatient" reasons that led me to despise this debate rather than relish it.

There's no point starting a debate if someone's going to reject everything with appeals to emotion. I could just as easily dismiss any reasons you guys have for liking Mario Party games in the time honoured (Internet) tradition of calling you all Smacktards... but I don't work like that, and I don't believe it's true.

And TtF... I think your reason could be described as liking games that don't require your constant input. I think that's a valid reason... it's one of the reasons I love the Pokemon games. You can play them with one hand and use the other one to masturbate eat a sandwich!

[Boo Destroyer]

...You didn't even read my previous post, did you?