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Post by wanderingshadow on May 10, 2006 13:18:58 GMT -5
Don't bother trying to figure out a storyline for Mario. People have been trying to do it with Zelda and it hasn't worked out all that well. Imagine trying to do it with Mario.
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Post by Smashchu on May 13, 2006 19:56:02 GMT -5
We with Zelda they all take place in different worlds. On a few conect.m Mario just dosn't have a story beyond Princess gets captured.
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Post by wanderingshadow on May 13, 2006 21:36:54 GMT -5
BURN DK VINE!!! BURN IT TO THE GROUND!!! You had to say that and I had to look. DK Vine is the biggest bunch of haters that I've ever seen. |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on May 13, 2006 23:26:40 GMT -5
We with Zelda they all take place in different worlds. On a few conect.m Mario just dosn't have a story beyond Princess gets captured. I'd have to disagree with both. Zelda has some plot holes, but mostly fits together. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on May 14, 2006 3:43:50 GMT -5
I'd love to agree with you TtF, I really would. But it's sadly not true. One game may connect with another game seamlessly - like Ocarina to Majora.
Some games will reference others, such as LttP talking about Ocarina's imprisoning war. But they hardly link together at all.
Then where do Zelda and Zelda II fit into all this? After OoT-MM, but are they straight after? In the middle? At the end? In which episode does Ganon die? Does he ever die?
It's a mess.
Mario has a very vague story that is also impossible to string together coherently. Again, we know Super Mario World follows on from Super Mario Bros. 3, and Super Mario Land 2 straight from Super Mario Land... but you can't string them together. They're don't draw from a shared "legend" (which is how attempts are made to string together Zelda) but from repeated characters and objects and lands.
Why would anyone want a Mario storyline anyway? Baffling. Although I do like M&L's attempts to paper over some of the more confusing aspects. Such as why Baby Mario and Mario can co-exist.
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on May 14, 2006 5:16:36 GMT -5
Again, we know Super Mario World follows on from Super Mario Bros. 3 If I'm not mistaken its been annouced that NSMB falls after SMB3, so there goes that relationship.  |
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Post by kirbychu on May 14, 2006 5:53:13 GMT -5
I think when it comes to Mario story, the only thing we really need to know is... Yoshi's Island = before everything else As far as I can tell, it doesn't really make a difference where the others are placed.  |
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Post by Smashchu on May 14, 2006 12:23:04 GMT -5
Speaking of palced everything in the Mario world moves. In Mario Kart 64 you drove by Peach's Castle, but in Paper Mario Toad Town was right next to the castle.
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Post by TrustTheFungus on May 14, 2006 18:27:54 GMT -5
I'd love to agree with you TtF, I really would. But it's sadly not true. One game may connect with another game seamlessly - like Ocarina to Majora. Some games will reference others, such as LttP talking about Ocarina's imprisoning war. But they hardly link together at all. Then where do Zelda and Zelda II fit into all this? After OoT-MM, but are they straight after? In the middle? At the end? In which episode does Ganon die? Does he ever die? It's a mess. Mario has a very vague story that is also impossible to string together coherently. Again, we know Super Mario World follows on from Super Mario Bros. 3, and Super Mario Land 2 straight from Super Mario Land... but you can't string them together. They're don't draw from a shared "legend" (which is how attempts are made to string together Zelda) but from repeated characters and objects and lands. Why would anyone want a Mario storyline anyway? Baffling. Although I do like M&L's attempts to paper over some of the more confusing aspects. Such as why Baby Mario and Mario can co-exist. We know this about Zelda: OoT>MM>TP>WW>PH LoZ>AoL ALttP>LA TMC>FS>FSA OoS/A There's several holes, but how could you possibly say they happen in different universes when they all reference each other? FSA and OoS/A has Ganon reborn/revived so they have to come after one of the other groups of games. Sure, we don't KNOW the order, but there obviously is one. Nintendo has even stated that there is. As for Mario, I mostly assume the games happen in order of release with a few exceptions(Yoshi's Island) and that Party/Sports/Kart games are not canon. |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on May 15, 2006 2:20:00 GMT -5
I still fail to see why the Party / Sports / Kart games are not canon, but its an argument / dicussion for another time.
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Post by Sqrt2 on May 15, 2006 6:10:08 GMT -5
Because they've got nothing to do with the story of Mario battling evil that's why they're not considered canonical.
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on May 15, 2006 6:44:45 GMT -5
That actually makes sense (since whenever I think non-canon I think of something having elements that are so ridiculous that they destroy the storyline - such as Snake in Smash Bros). However, Mario battles bosses in the Mission Mode of Mario Kart DS, so isn't that fighting the forces of evil. And if I'm not mistaken he also fights evil in the storyline of Mario DDR and in Mario Pinball, all of which are considered non-canon. So you're gonna need a better answer than that! |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on May 15, 2006 14:21:52 GMT -5
There are several reasons I don't consider the Party/Sports/Kart games canon. Most of them have no storyline. And they make no sense. Why would Mario play Golf with Bowser? Why would Peach and Bowser be on a team in Tennis? Since when has Mario cared about being the "Super Star?" Why are Mario and Baby Mario there at the same time? What's the official ending? And the they add characters like the Koopa Kids.
They are jus like Shadow Battle for the Zelda timeline. Or Metroid Pinball for the Metroid timeline.
Oh, and I don't see any reason to not consider Mario Pinball and DDR canon. They have a story.
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Post by Smashchu on May 15, 2006 17:48:25 GMT -5
Yeah the Mario series makes no scence. Try to get the fact that "EVERYTHIG" has eyes. Yeah Mario lives in a strange world, but boy do we love playing in it.
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Post by Flip on May 15, 2006 18:01:56 GMT -5
Eh. I still like to imagine there's an overarching story to the Mario series. Not individually game based (like this happened in this game, and this after that game) but more like a history. Kinda like the Simarillion(sp?) to Lord of the Rings, ya dig?
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