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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 14, 2006 3:07:35 GMT -5
Or perhaps... PERHAPS... the English language version is just more naiive. After all, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.
And by it, I mean Vivian's nob.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Jul 14, 2006 4:07:34 GMT -5
My, my, this post never stops making me laugh. XD You know, Vivian will soon be the main character of my newest Flash.... perhaps. That is, if I can but the game and take screenshots of her and thus being able to vercot-ize her in Flash. ummm...YL, this is kinda embarrassing, but I meant "liked her" not in the "fan" way... Tell me I'm not the only one who dreams whistfully about certain female game characters (oh, and with Vivian, it was all about the curves) I see you baby, shaking that ass...Well, I do, too. You're not the only one. ....... Okay, I admit it, I'm lying. I'm only trying to comfort you. You're still the only one. EDIT: Now that I think of it... I think you're actually falling right into a siren's trap. =P A MALE siren. XD |
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Post by jigglysama on Jul 14, 2006 20:52:19 GMT -5
Damn it! I kinda liked her!  That statement reminded me to the infamous Bridget from the Guilty Gear games. Looks like girl, acts like a girl, but is actually a little boy... As for Vivian, I resorted to use a popular term from 4chan: IT'S A TRAP! |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Jul 15, 2006 22:51:56 GMT -5
Vivian is a chick as far as the English version is concerned and that's how my site has maintained it.  But I've known about this back when the game was new and this sort of hubbub was a big deal. But the english version is wrong. What if Peter Jackson decided to make Legolas a girl in the Lord of the Rings movies because he thought the elves were feminine. Would that make it true? |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Jul 16, 2006 3:31:50 GMT -5
Yes, in the movie canon (oh god how I hate that word), it would.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 16, 2006 3:55:48 GMT -5
Yes, but then you would have to view the movies as "separate" from the books, which is in itself annoying.
But this is different. DiU, are you suggesting there is a "US canon" and a "Japan canon" for the same game? Or even that they have to be considered as separate stories with no bearing on each other?
Who would have thought one little transexual could cause SO much grief!
*rant at everyone with a problem*
SHE'S REALLY A HE! GET OVER IT! IT'S ONLY PAPER MARIO! IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S YOUR GIRLFRIEND OR MUM OR SOMETHING!!
*rant over*
Although your mum IS a transexual too. We just didn't want to say anything.
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Jul 16, 2006 4:53:05 GMT -5
My mother is Vivian. My father is Mrs. Cartman.
Or the other way around, I can't remember.
and I beleive there can certainly be different canons for Japanese and English games, its just rare to do so. Movies, on the other hand, can, and very often do, have different canon from different versions of the same story - see every video game based movie, for example.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Jul 16, 2006 6:54:48 GMT -5
Yes, but then you would have to view the movies as "separate" from the books, which is in itself annoying. But this is different. DiU, are you suggesting there is a "US canon" and a "Japan canon" for the same game? Or even that they have to be considered as separate stories with no bearing on each other? Well, I actually thinkk stories within one game can be two stories, too. Say, like on FE8 (IntSys AGAIN!) I think the story of the two routes are different, showing a different Lyon. Who would have thought one little transexual could cause SO much grief! Those people of IntSys. And that's why they did this. I think this is intentional. *rant at everyone with a problem* SHE'S REALLY A HE! GET OVER IT! IT'S ONLY PAPER MARIO! IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S YOUR GIRLFRIEND OR MUM OR SOMETHING!! *rant over* Although your mum IS a transexual too. We just didn't want to say anything. You know, every post in this topic by Fry is gonna make me laugh. Again, I think IntSys did it intentionally when they knew that Vivian would have a large fanbase. |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Jul 16, 2006 13:46:38 GMT -5
and I beleive there can certainly be different canons for Japanese and English games, its just rare to do so. Movies, on the other hand, can, and very often do, have different canon from different versions of the same story - see every video game based movie, for example. That would mean that we would have to include the English ALttP instruction book in "Zelda English Canon." Which would mean OoT can't be the Imprisoning War. ALttP's instruction book says the Master Sword was forged in response to Ganondorf, while in OoT it was clearly already there. And what about Kodai no Sekiban? It wasn't released in English, so it can't be part of "English Canon." EDIT: I thought of something else. In the Pokemon anime 4Kids has called Pokemon the wrong names several times. Does that mean in "English Pokemon Anime Canon" Scyther is known as Alakazam? And Pidgeot is called Pidgeotto? And what about episodes not translated? Ash catches a bunch of Taurus in episode 35, but it wasn't translated, so it didn't happen. Ash uses the Taurus in later episode, how did he get them? |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 16, 2006 17:09:45 GMT -5
It does not make sense. Does it make sense? If Chewbacca does not make sense, you must aquit. Look at the monkey. Look at the silly monkey!
*explode*
(best South Park ever)
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Jul 16, 2006 23:02:21 GMT -5
EDIT: I thought of something else. In the Pokemon anime 4Kids has called Pokemon the wrong names several times. Does that mean in "English Pokemon Anime Canon" Scyther is known as Alakazam? And Pidgeot is called Pidgeotto? And what about episodes not translated? Ash catches a bunch of Taurus in episode 35, but it wasn't translated, so it didn't happen. Ash uses the Taurus in later episode, how did he get them? No, it means that in the English canon, the people that called Scyther 'Alakazam' (how the hell did they make that mistake?) and Pidgeot 'Pidgeotto' are idiots. And that Ash caught the Tauroses (Tarousi? Taroi? I dunno) off screen - if everything that happens had to be seen, there would be a lot of episodes that just have the characters walking, and so many of Team Rocket nursing their wounds from getting blasted away. And we all know there is no Zelda canon. I don't know if thats the best South Park ever - sure, its good, but it fails to live up to the laughs-per-minute quota that the Erection Day episode (which I was watching last night) has - I mean, what can be funnier than Jimmy talking about his "raging hard-on that just won't quit"? Not much, thats for sure. |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Jul 17, 2006 0:48:06 GMT -5
No, it means that in the English canon, the people that called Scyther 'Alakazam' (how the hell did they make that mistake?) and Pidgeot 'Pidgeotto' are idiots. And that Ash caught the Tauroses (Tarousi? Taroi? I dunno) off screen - if everything that happens had to be seen, there would be a lot of episodes that just have the characters walking, and so many of Team Rocket nursing their wounds from getting blasted away. And we all know there is no Zelda canon. Now you're just making excuses. That doesn't make sense. How often do you forget what kind of animal your pet is? And of course the anime doesn't show unimportant events, but Ash catching several Taurus is quite important. There obviously is Zelda canon. How would you define canon? I believe it's described rather well on Wikipedia: "In the context of fiction, the canon of a fictional universe comprises those novels, stories, films, etc. that are considered to be genuine (or "official"), and those events, characters, settings, etc. that are considered to have inarguable existence within the fictional universe." The Zelda series takes place in a fictional universe, so it must have canon. Unless you define canon differently? |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Jul 17, 2006 1:10:46 GMT -5
My "everyone knows there is no Zelda canon" was supposed to have a smiley at the end, since I like getting people's feathers all ruffled up, and nothing does that better than trying to convince people that one of their favourite series doesn't make sense, or that their beliefs are dead wrong. Like you, and what you think. Heres a for that and a for the last post. And, hell, a for good measure, I'm sure I've forgotten one somewhere. And if I had 400-or-so pets, yes I probably would forget. And these people are stupid, so they're even more likely to forget. Because they're stupid. |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Jul 17, 2006 2:29:07 GMT -5
My "everyone knows there is no Zelda canon" was supposed to have a smiley at the end, since I like getting people's feathers all ruffled up, and nothing does that better than trying to convince people that one of their favourite series doesn't make sense, or that their beliefs are dead wrong. Like you, and what you think. Heres a for that and a for the last post. And, hell, a for good measure, I'm sure I've forgotten one somewhere. And if I had 400-or-so pets, yes I probably would forget. And these people are stupid, so they're even more likely to forget. Because they're stupid. ...so why haven't you addressed the "Zelda English Canon" problems? I doubt they has 400 Pokemon. Ash only has 57. Young children can remember the names of all the Pokemon just by watching the anime, it shouldn't be hard for a person living in a world filled with Pokemon that constantly say their name to remember what they are called. Especially considering he probably carries a PokeDex and travels with them all the time. There is no evidence of them being ignorant, either. (Well, it was Team Rocket that called Scyther 'Alakazam', but the trainer with the Pidgeot didn't seem stupid.) |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 17, 2006 3:19:49 GMT -5
I'd say that's an acceptable mistake - Pidgeot's Japanese name is Pidgeotto, and the translators probably missed this little nugget of info.
But then doesn't Ash's Pikachu have like six or seven moves or something?
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But I've known about this back when the game was new and this sort of hubbub was a big deal.
