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Post by NinjaRygar on Oct 18, 2007 22:54:33 GMT -5
Power Stone is fun and all.. (and to clarify... Power Stone 1 >>> Power Stone 2)... but dude... have you ever played 3rd strike? If you can still claim that Power Stone is a better fighting game than that.... then you haven't got a clue what a good fighting game is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2007 0:16:59 GMT -5
Power Stone is fun and all.. (and to clarify... Power Stone 1 >>> Power Stone 2)... but dude... have you ever played 3rd strike? If you can still claim that Power Stone is a better fighting game than that.... then you haven't got a clue what a good fighting game is. The fact that I prefer games like Power Stone and Brawl over games like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat should tell you that traditional fighting games just aren't my bag. I have a perfect clue as to what you deem a "good" fighting game is--I disagree with you whole-heartedly, but that's opinion for you. To me, games like Street Fighter are for a very exclusive crowd. There's no way a newcomer to the series can just hop on board and be able to compete with veterans after a few rounds--there's too much memorizing, too many combos. It's difficult. Power Stone, on the other hand, is amazingly simple to get into, even for an Arcade-based fighting game; I've introduced people to the game who have dived right in and after a couple matches they could were more than even with me. Same thing goes for Brawl, so long as you're not stacked up against, you know, a Wavedashing fucktard or whatever. To me, a good fighting game is one you can enjoy. I can't do that with the traditional ones. I can do that with the ones that "think outside the box." So I'll agree with you, I really don't know what a "good fighting game" is by your standards, because I friggin hate how they work and I suck at them XD No need to get personal, dude. |
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Post by NinjaRygar on Oct 19, 2007 0:28:20 GMT -5
Yeah I know what you're saying, traditional fighting games aren't for everyone... but it's that exact complicated nature that makes them so great.
Honestly... if somebody can pick up a game their first time and beat you, after you've been playing it for years.... that game shouldn't be taken seriously... it's just for fun. If you're GOOD at a game... you don't expect somebody to beat you their first time. That's the way 2d fighting games are. You need skill, practice, but also you need quick reflexes and quick thinking. That's the way it is for a lot of competitions. It's not just a "Do long combos" contest. There are mind games... strategies.... and other skills. Just because somebody practices moves and combo doesn't mean that the game is bad.
Why did I say you don't know what a good fighting game is? Well.... it may have been a bit harsh or insulting... but just look at what you said.
"One of their GOOD fighting games.... like Power Stone."
You know? How do you expect somebody who plays fighting games to react? Like Street Fighter is a bad game because it's truly competitive! As if Power Stone is better because it's just a race to get randomly placed items and anybody can win based on luck.
Street Fighter (Games such as Alpha 3, 3rd Strike, and even SSF2T) are not BAD games just because they take practice to play seriously. Come on man.
Um... but I'm still being a jerk. So, sorry about the whole thing. I didn't want to get personal. My words can sometimes be sharp... and I apologize.
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Oct 19, 2007 0:32:14 GMT -5
Same thing goes for Brawl, so long as you're not stacked up against, you know, a Wavedashing wizzletard or whatever. In that sense can't people jump in 2d fighting games aswell, unless they're fighting some tournament guy? Just memorize some moves (<,<,X=swordstab!) and you're ready to go. But I agree that 'party' fighting games like Powerstone and Smash Brothers are a lot more fun though. |
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 19, 2007 4:05:32 GMT -5
Honestly... if somebody can pick up a game their first time and beat you, after you've been playing it for years.... that game shouldn't be taken seriously... it's just for fun. There are no games - NO games - that should be taken seriously. All games are for fun, and all games should be accessible to anyone. I have to agree with everything TEi said. I know what a "good" fighting game is, but that doesn't mean I have to think they're any good. XD |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2007 9:45:01 GMT -5
Rygar, your apology is accepted, and I'm sorry I stuck my foot in my mouth earlier too.
And thanks, KChu. ;D
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Post by minimario on Oct 21, 2007 12:46:04 GMT -5
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 21, 2007 12:55:33 GMT -5
OLD and we already discussed this.
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Post by Game Guru on Oct 21, 2007 13:38:48 GMT -5
Well, you get to be an exclusive crowd with most tournament players playing the game for 15 years... You know considering most tourny players started on Street Fighter II, learning the ins and outs of that game and its sequels. Street Fighter II is also the founder of the modern fighting game genre... Without the foundations set by Street Fighter II, we would HAVE no Smash or Power Stone.
Personally, I like both Street Fighter and Smash Bros.
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Post by dosv on Oct 27, 2007 0:15:21 GMT -5
Honestly... if somebody can pick up a game their first time and beat you, after you've been playing it for years.... that game shouldn't be taken seriously... it's just for fun. There are no games - NO games - that should be taken seriously. All games are for fun, and all games should be accessible to anyone. I have to agree with everything TEi said. I know what a "good" fighting game is, but that doesn't mean I have to think they're any good. XD You know what MLG is right? Just like the NBA and NFL it's a professional organization. Super Smash Bros. Melee was on the MLG circuit for a while and was it's most successful fighting game. I'm sure that at MLG New York P.c Chris took it serious because $10,000.00 was on the line. So let me ask you, if you wanted to get good enough to play a game and win thousands of dollars in just a few hours while enjoying yourself the whole time, would you take it serious? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2007 0:34:29 GMT -5
Nope! Any game with that kind of dinero tacked on as a prize means that you're going up against other serious players who may not use the cleanest tactics. That kind of competition is unenjoyable and ignores the heart of the game. If I had to play a Mario Kart tourney for that much money, that'd mean all my rivals were probably snakers...and to me, sploiting in multiplayer is a huge turn-off. I'm sure that SSBM tourney was no different with Wavedashing or whatever. What I'm trying to say is that winning should not hold higher priority over having fun. The two don't need to be mutually exclusive from each other, but still.
I would honestly rather play with my friends knowing that I won't always win and that, provided there are no whiners in the group, I'm pretty much guaranteed a fun time. I can only get that sort of experience for free. ;D
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Post by dosv on Oct 27, 2007 0:54:41 GMT -5
Nope! Any game with that kind of dinero tacked on as a prize means that you're going up against other serious players who may not use the cleanest tactics. That kind of competition is unenjoyable and ignores the heart of the game. If I had to play a Mario Kart tourney for that much money, that'd mean all my rivals were probably snakers...and to me, sploiting in multiplayer is a huge turn-off. I'm sure that SSBM tourney was no different with Wavedashing or whatever. What I'm trying to say is that winning should not hold higher priority over having fun. The two don't need to be mutually exclusive from each other, but still. I would honestly rather play with my friends knowing that I won't always win and that, provided there are no whiners in the group, I'm pretty much guaranteed a fun time. I can only get that sort of experience for free. ;D Well first of all, Snaking is in no way similar to Wavedashing. The goal of Mario Kart is to make it across the finish line before your opponents do and Snaking can help you reach that goal faster. The goal in SSBM is to keep your opponent (s) off the stage, wavedahsing does not put your opponent off the stage so the two are not comparable. Wavedashing adds depth to the game, Snaking is a broken tactic that everyone who wants to win will be forced to use in competitive play. Now to address your other issue. You seem to be under the impression that competitive gaming is not fun. I myself am a competitive gamer, I attend about 1 or 2 SSBM tournaments every month. Sure there's money involved and that can be nice but I guarantee you I would not do this on my free time if it wasn't fun. Same goes for the other 50,000+ competitive smashers around the world. Just like anything else in life people strive to become good at (sports, musical instruments, visual art ect.) it takes dedication to be good and if you're not serious about it then you're wasting your time. |
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Oct 27, 2007 3:19:01 GMT -5
Geez guys, snaking isn't THAT broken. In fact it's pretty much programmed intentionally with it's own animation and hobo, unlike wavedashing and that F-zero GX glitch.
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Post by Old Man Rupee on Oct 27, 2007 4:07:04 GMT -5
it takes dedication to be good and if you're not serious about it then you're wasting your time. I'm proud of my time wasting abilities! Let me be the first (of many) to say that I'm PROUD TO BE A TIME WASTER! In fact, I'm gonna go make a badge, for the Proud League of Time Wasters right now. Shout if you want to join! |
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 27, 2007 5:01:24 GMT -5
Just like anything else in life people strive to become good at (sports, musical instruments, visual art ect.) it takes dedication to be good and if you're not serious about it then you're wasting your time. That's... very insulting. If you're striving to play a video game that seriously, you're not only wasting your time... but your life as well. I have a job, I have other hobbies, I have a girlfriend... y'know... a life. I even go outside sometimes (Yes! The place exists!). I go to the gym, I spend time with my family, I watch television. I don't have time to sit around with a bunch of fat pasty nerds and see who has the biggest virtual penis. Does this mean I'm wasting my time when I play a video game for fun? No. It means I'm human, I'm 21, and I realise there's more to life. Unlike sports, music and visual art, a video game affects nothing outside of my TV screen. Nobody will take any notice of somebody who, under "special skills" lists "Expert at Super Smash Bros. Melee". That person deserves to be laughed at at every minute of every day for eternity. However, somebody who's an expert at playing the guitar? Or sculpting? Or football? That person's going places. Please never compare video game skills to real life skills again. It not only makes you look foolish, it makes me embarrassed that I play video games at all. |
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