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this is my response to the whole size issue again.

The main reason I have to doubt Ridley is playable is the fact that there are non-playable Bosses in Brawl. Ridley just seems like he'd be very fitting as a boss, but the real reason that I raise question to him at all is because of his music on the DOJO!!, which was called "Metroid: Boss Battle Music (Ridley Fight)." What does the title imply, though? It could mean that they're just using Ridley's theme for any Metroid boss characters in the game, or it could mean that the song is, specifically, for Ridley as a Boss character. Or it could just mean that it's the theme of Ridley in Metroid. There's too many unknowns, and I'd prefer to err on the side of caution so I don't get my hopes up XD

[Smashchu]

The thing about boss characters is we don't know any of them except for one. And that one is a very minor character. If Rayquaza is a boss, then it would be no different; he's be another minor character in the grand scheme of things.

[Captain Walrus]

Exactly. It's hard to say for sure, because we don't know anything more than Piranha Plant and maybe Rayquaza, but it seems like bosses are characters no one expected to be playable in the first place. The only reason Ridley is thrown around as a boss is because of his size.

[Smashchu]

And the size argument annoys the hell out of me. I think the boss argument is an embody meant of the Too Big argument.

So in other words, agreed.

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It's not about the size.[/url] Don't make me keep pimping this. The way you guys are talking it makes me feel like you aren't even looking at the link.

Okay, I guess I'll spell it out. Size is for the most part irrelevant. Not entirely--Petey has been consistently huge and Rayquaza is only one size thanks to Pokémon's specific measurements in the PokéDex. But Ridley's size fluctuates. Bowser's does too; why else do you think he's in Brawl? Because his size isn't constant, ever, period. Ridley's size changes too. In the original Metroid he was as tall as Samus, in Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion and Metroid Zero Mission he's twice as tall as Samus, and in Metroid Prime 1 and 3, he's friggin' gigantic. Not to mention Mecha Ridley from the end of ZM, who was likewise huge. Size is not what's going to determine whether Ridley is playable or not.

He would make a hell of a boss. Maybe too good of one; saying we'll only get unimportant or secondary/tetriary characters as bosses is kind of silly. What if Mother got Pokey or Giygas? Or Black Shadow, for F-Zero? And it'd be kind of silly to think Eggman wouldn't be the boss for StH. What's really important is whether or not Ridley can be made to be an interesting character. Could he? Hell yes! Will Sakurai do it? It'd be great, but who's to say? I personally don't think he will. Remember, we're getting a lot of well-requested characters in the form of Assist Trophies. I don't see why the same could apply for boss characters.

Not to mention, I don't trust the Toukouken. Personal issues, I guess, but too many people put too much faith into it, like it's a be-all-to-end-all scientific fact that can always be referred back to. In reality, it's just a list made up by about fifty Japanese SSB fans who want those characters in the game. It's about as official as me saying, "Hey, Megaman's in the game 'cause a lot of people want him!" It's not fact. It's an educated guess at best and an assumption at worst.[/color]

[Johans Nidorino]

Size isn't important at the level of:

• Proportions to characters from other universes
  
• Numerical proportions to characters of the same universe

But it's important at the level of interpolation. Supporting TEi's pictures of Bowser and Mario, I must mention that the Pokémon Trainer's Pokémon are an example in which Charizard needs to be larger than Ivysaur, and Ivysaur needs to be larger than Squirtle, no matter if their Pokédex entries aren't mapped to a correct proportion (they are: 5'07'', 3'03'', and 1'08''). This is not literal here.

So if Ridley is made larger than Samus by two heads or three, it's fine.

A different case is that of characters from a game series that hasn't been represented yet, like Captain Olimar or Chibi-Robo. In those cases, you could pick arbitrary heights to an extent.

And yet another different case is... well, Doshin the Giant, whose name should indicate he shouldn't be an ordinary fighter (I've not played his game, though).

It's interesting how frequent are these arguments being made on two of the three characters that were part of that rumor during mid-2006 (Ridley, Powerpuff Link and Bowser Jr.). Personally I think Bowser Jr. shouldn't be that controversial and I'm glad he hasn't been debated too much lately.

[Flip]

Ridley = Boss, Zero Suit Samus = second Metroid rep. DONE.

Metroid is a series that focuses on ONE character: Samus. She should be the only representative. That's my two-cents.

[Dasher Misire]

Yeah, I think Samus is the main focus but she clearly has a main nemesis in Ridley. He killed her mother right in front of her and if anyone says the manga isn't canon I'm going to throw the source material right to you because the director of Fusion wrote it. And Zero Mission.

Okay, whoever refuses to listen to Kirby and Ganondorf and Pikachu being resized... if Ridley can't be playable due to size, Olimar can't. "But they can make Olimar bigger!" Right, they can make Ridley smaller. OH CRAP. Theory debunked.

Ridley might be a boss because ZSS is enough of a character to Sakurai, but he clearly respects Ridley to mention him twice on the site, have a theme for him with one of the mentions, refer to Ridley as Samus' nemesis, and have him on the poll ranked very high. I think at this point he will be in no doubt but I'm kinda still wishing he was playable. To just laugh at anyone concerned about size in a game that lets Kirby knock Bowser off the stage.

[8bitretroshit]

sgtmajorkururu said:

It's not about the size.

[/url] Don't make me keep pimping this. The way you guys are talking it makes me feel like you aren't even looking at the link.

Okay, I guess I'll spell it out. Size is for the most part irrelevant. Not entirely--Petey has been consistently huge and Rayquaza is only one size thanks to Pokémon's specific measurements in the PokéDex. But Ridley's size fluctuates. Bowser's does too; why else do you think he's in Brawl? Because his size isn't constant, ever, period. Ridley's size changes too. In the original Metroid he was as tall as Samus, in Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion and Metroid Zero Mission he's twice as tall as Samus, and in Metroid Prime 1 and 3, he's friggin' gigantic. Not to mention Mecha Ridley from the end of ZM, who was likewise huge. Size is not what's going to determine whether Ridley is playable or not.[/color][/quote]
Yeahyeah we know. Everyone here thinks the too big argument is bullshit you don't have to spell it out everytime.
I don't even care if he's playable, an AT or a boss, because whatever he is he will be awesome.

[Captain Walrus]

fliptroopa said:

Ridley = Boss, Zero Suit Samus = second Metroid rep. DONE.

Metroid is a series that focuses on ONE character: Samus. She should be the only representative. That's my two-cents.

And Kirby is a series that focuses on Kirby? I have literally no idea why Samus's main nemesis shouldn't be playable because Metroid's main character is Samus.

[TV Eye]

capnwalrus said:

fliptroopa said:

Ridley = Boss, Zero Suit Samus = second Metroid rep. DONE.

Metroid is a series that focuses on ONE character: Samus. She should be the only representative. That's my two-cents.

And Kirby is a series that focuses on Kirby? I have literally no idea why Samus's main nemesis shouldn't be playable because Metroid's main character is Samus.

I always thought Samus' main enemy was Mother Brain...

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Ahh, the infamous "who is Samus' main nemesis?" thing. The lines are always blurred in that aspect; some sources say Mother Brain is the leader of the Space Pirates, others claim it's Ridley and Mother Brain was a sentient bio-computer used to monitor Brinstar that got reprogrammed to serve the Space Pirates' needs. Ridley's exact placement within the Space Pirates is also a mystery, but it's clear that he's very high-ranking.

In any case, though, Ridley is the most oft-recurring Metroid boss, which is why he's so important. Battles against him always signify events of some importance, even if you fight him early on in the game (the exception of this is Fusion, where the Ridley fight feels tacked on in the middle of another goal). A mechanical version of Ridley is also the final boss in Zero Mission, and he has only been absent in only two main Metroid games--Metroid II and Metroid Prime 2, if you exclude Hunters. He may not be the mastermind behind the events in a Metroid game, but he's the most notable due to his ferocious nature and his tenacity. He wouldn't be as important if he didn't come back so frequently, but he does, so he is. He's got a huge fan following from Metroid fans because he's the one individual recurring character aside from Samus herself.

[Smashchu]

I think people are too quick to label the character a boss. Ridley has potential, can fight, is popular, and the Metroid franchise needs more characters for how popular it is. If we can have Bowser and Ganondorf playable, why not Ridley. I think he'd make a fine addition to the roster.

[Flip]

Ridley would feel quirky as a character. That's the only reason I'm "meh" to the idea. Bowser was big too, we all get it. Sure. But does Bowser have wings, a massively long head, and an insane tail? Ridley would certainly look cool and be a blast to play as, but the oddities of him being controllable are a bit much. If he had to be playable, he would be incredibly difficult to control and near-impossible to fight with due to his awkward stance and style.

I want to see it, but at the same time I'd rather not. Samus is the only constant and developed character in the Metroid mythos. Much like Ridley, there is nary a Kirby game without Kracko. He's a popular and well-known boss with a size issue, but do people request him heavily? How about Phantom Ganon or Kamek? As cool as they can be, we never question their chances as playable characters: they'll never make it. No, I can do without Ridley; Metroid needs a single rep and, frankly, in this situation... two's a crowd. That's where I stand.

[TrustTheFungus]

fliptroopa said:

Ridley would feel quirky as a character. That's the only reason I'm "meh" to the idea. Bowser was big too, we all get it. Sure. But does Bowser have wings, a massively long head, and an insane tail? Ridley would certainly look cool and be a blast to play as, but the oddities of him being controllable are a bit much. If he had to be playable, he would be incredibly difficult to control and near-impossible to fight with due to his awkward stance and style.

I want to see it, but at the same time I'd rather not. Samus is the only constant and developed character in the Metroid mythos. Much like Ridley, there is nary a Kirby game without Kracko. He's a popular and well-known boss with a size issue, but do people request him heavily? How about Phantom Ganon or Kamek? As cool as they can be, we never question their chances as playable characters: they'll never make it. No, I can do without Ridley; Metroid needs a single rep and, frankly, in this situation... two's a crowd. That's where I stand.

If Zelda and Kirby didn't have several characters that are far more important to the series I'm sure people would request them all the time. Well, maybe not Kracko, due to lack of legs... And I see Kamek brought up a lot to be Yoshi's villain. Main problem with that is Yoshi is still very attached to the Mario series, which has a few characters that are more popular and important.

But I don't see how Ridley would be difficult to control at all. Could you explain what is so awkward about his stance and style? As long he moves left when I press left, what's the problem? Ness' second jump is weird, but he's still playable.