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Post by 8bitretroshit on Jan 2, 2008 14:28:41 GMT -5
Okay.
They REALLY need to give Geno a 'clak-clak-clak-clak' jaw sound effect whenever he gets punched around, also flailing doll arms. It would be a missed opportunity if they didn't.
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Post by Flip on Jan 2, 2008 14:51:53 GMT -5
Copied from the "Geno in Brawl Thread" at SWF. They were complaining about how Mario RPG is forgotten and not iconic in the least. Somebody mentioned Chrono Trigger and how it was a meaningless game. Of course, I HAD to jump in once that hit my main circuits... Fools.
"*throws his weight around* Boys, you're acting insane!
Chrono Trigger is one of the most nostalgic SNES games ever. If you ask ANYBODY who had a SNES when it was still the big console and they were big gamers they will almost certainly pick Chrono Trigger as one of their favorite games. It is ALWAYS competing with Ocarina of Time and FF7 for "best game ever," and it WAS until those two came around. How are we even arguing this? The only reason people who play video games today don't talk about it/call it insignificant is because they're all under the age of 18 and are certifiably "noobs" as far as video game history is concerned. Unless you were there, you can't claim how popular or significant a game was. That's like saying the '60s was all about hippies fighting the power and hence everyone from the '60s was a stoned flower child. :laugh: Chrono Trigger's original development team disbanded and so Square is not interested in another sequel. And because Chrono Cross was a PSX game, a lot of younger gamers who started gaming with the PS2 have no idea either game existed. It's the same argument for Mario RPG. Just because you started gaming AFTER the SNES doesn't mean the game isn't important.
Ugh... Learn to respect history, guys. Understand that you weren't there. You don't understand. Mario RPG was a BIG deal. Chrono Trigger was a BIG deal. There were games before, gasp, the Gamecube and the XBOX. Before gaming became the biggest hobby amongst 13-30 year old males. It used to be something that wasn't in the public's eye and there were, in fact, games that made it big BEFORE the existance of giant "hollywood" style titles and huge American developers. Back when Sega and Nintendo duked it out for dominance and Sony was the little engine that could. Why the hell else is Sonic in Smash Bros. Brawl? To appease Sega? Because they're cutting a deal with Sonic Team after Mario and Sonic at the Olympics?
God no. It's because 15 years ago Sonic and Mario were bigger than sliced bread. Because people who are old enough to recall "Sega does what Nintendon't" have been waiting eons for this to happen. It's a nod to the gamers of old, the same people who played Chrono Trigger, Mario RPG, Yoshi's Island, Metal Gear (on the NES!), Super Metroid, Kid Icarus, Link to the Past, Sonic 3 and Knuckles... All these CLASSIC games that happened when the biggest fans were still kids. Games that are ingrained in their memories of youth and cheerier days, before they had to grow up and get jobs. If there's anything I love about Smash, it's that I can relive my own memories of waking up to Mario 3 under the tree or getting a Sega Genesis when it was the hottest thing. I don't care what you think about "now," but Mario RPG was significant to ME when it happened. And I'm almost positive it matter to a TON of people who remember it well. Think about where the world of gaming has come from. Think about Game & Watch, the Famicom Disk System, the first Zelda, the Virtual Boy, the Playstation, the massive Squaresoft RPGs BEFORE 3D... There's a whole generation of people who actually would APPRECIATE and ENJOY seeing these things in Smash. Why would Sakurai give them the royal screw just because some of the newer fans or "pop gamers" don't want him to?
There's a reason they make movies like Transformers and Underdog. People LIKE seeing things from their childhood born again. It's a beautiful business practice."
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Jan 2, 2008 15:12:11 GMT -5
Nice tl;dr post there but the fact that Mario RPG was a good game doesn't somehow qualify Geno. And yes, you are blowing it's fame out of proportions because you just want him in and remember it fondly, but that's okay. If Mario RPG gets a nod we'll atleast have some rad music. |
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Post by mrmolecule on Jan 2, 2008 16:22:06 GMT -5
Eh, if they put in Geno, this piece would be a lot cooler. Maybe Nintendo is willing to give Mario RPG a big welcome-back party. They haven't yet thrown it on the Virtual Console and forgotten about it. That's what keeps the EB fanatics going. |
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Post by Smashchu on Jan 2, 2008 17:31:26 GMT -5
Nice tl;dr post there but the fact that Mario RPG was a good game doesn't somehow qualify Geno. And yes, you are blowing it's fame out of proportions because you just want him in and remember it fondly, but that's okay. I wouldn't say that. Remember, people want Geno 11 years aftyer his game was made, and is a character who very popular and has western presence. That's more then most characters can say. In that sence, it makes sence while the flame is high. I felt a similar way back in 7th grade. I thought Geno was really cool and would be awesome in Brawl (Mallow too). I do feel the SMRPG was something special. it brought Mario's world into a story driven game, and did it well. If something qualifies a character, it's going to be popularity. |
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Post by Flip on Jan 2, 2008 18:14:20 GMT -5
Nice tl;dr post there but the fact that Mario RPG was a good game doesn't somehow qualify Geno. And yes, you are blowing it's fame out of proportions because you just want him in and remember it fondly, but that's okay. If Mario RPG gets a nod we'll atleast have some rad music. Well of course anything I say is biased, but it's the same for any person  I mean, just the sheer fact that we are focusing all our attention towards Brawl is a very specific view of games that matter in early 2008. There are others who hate Smash Bros. or may think something like FFXIII or MGS4 are the most important things to come out of 2008 in gaming. I'm just trying to save my own desires and dreams from fading into memory, you know? |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Jan 2, 2008 20:15:04 GMT -5
 THIS WHOLE THREAD IS INSANE! ARGH! ARGH! So, basically.... PRO-GENO ARGUMENT: Super Mario RPG is an important game, was important 11 years ago, and people want a sequel. Therefore Geno should be in. ANTI-GENO ARGUMENT: There are more notable Mario characters, and more notable Sqare-Enix characters. He doesn't deserve a playable roster slot. There. Thats all anyone has actually contributed to this argument. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over. And nobody has changed the others opinions, because everyone's heads are too wedged up their own arses to actually consider other's opinions. Worst thread on this forum by far. |
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Post by Manspeed on Jan 2, 2008 22:20:37 GMT -5
Even after all this is said and done, I have but one question to ask.... What about Mallow?  |
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Post by Flip on Jan 2, 2008 22:41:11 GMT -5
Even after all this is said and done, I have but one question to ask.... What about Mallow?  |
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Post by TV Eye on Jan 2, 2008 23:07:01 GMT -5
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Post by Flip on Jan 3, 2008 0:01:58 GMT -5
 EDIT: Found the fifth and final Geno entry, tying him with Dedede for "Sakurai's interest" on the Toukoken as people say. #276 -- Huh. This is an interesting letter. The guy wants some song in the game that got translated funky ("the rice cake remaining overnight"), and it doesn't mention the game. BUT then he goes on saying that, if Sakurai could, he needs to include "Beware the Forest Mushrooms" from Mario RPG, and maybe even the Forest Maze stage. The author adds that this song is copyrighted to Square-Enix, but could still appear if "Geno is participating *wink wink*" |
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Post by vorpal on Jan 3, 2008 2:31:18 GMT -5
THIS WHOLE THREAD IS INSANE! ARGH! ARGH! So, basically.... PRO-GENO ARGUMENT: Super Mario RPG is an important game, was important 11 years ago, and people want a sequel. Therefore Geno should be in. ANTI-GENO ARGUMENT: There are more notable Mario characters, and more notable Sqare-Enix characters. He doesn't deserve a playable roster slot. There. Thats all anyone has actually contributed to this argument. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over. And nobody has changed the others opinions, because everyone's heads are too wedged up their own arses to actually consider other's opinions. Worst thread on this forum by far. No! The argument is that people want or don't want ANY character based upon whether they like them or not. ALL arguments about representation or any other criteria is ALL subjective. People could make a million arguments for any character, and all anybody else has to do is say that those reasons are no good. It's all subjective! So let us people who like Geno dream. -- Also, I'd be fine with Mallow, too (any SMRPG cameo/reference would be awesome... I don't fool myself. I think it's a very long shot, but I can still dream)... it's just that Mallow can't jump... though I guess that could be worked around.... |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jan 3, 2008 5:08:00 GMT -5
I deleted Smashchu's post - the first victim of my axe. DiU's post is quite right - this is a really, really stupid topic that has contributed nothing to the discussion about the game.
Geno can't be deconfirmed, as he wasn't confirmed in the first place, and so the whole point of this topic is gone. He wasn't even a major contender - just a SMALL group of people are clamouring for him with loud voices.
DiU summarised this topic particularly well, and Smashchu's (now deleted) post was inflammatory and wrong. Smashchu - you might be the second biggest poster on this forum, but your aggressive tone is way out of line, and I am keeping a close eye on your behaviour.
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Post by TV Eye on Jan 3, 2008 7:45:30 GMT -5
Hmm...good thing I didn't get caught up in this Geno argument...(the last one I did, but I'm too lazy to search for it.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2008 8:58:42 GMT -5
THIS WHOLE THREAD IS INSANE! ARGH! ARGH! So, basically.... PRO-GENO ARGUMENT: Super Mario RPG is an important game, was important 11 years ago, and people want a sequel. Therefore Geno should be in. ANTI-GENO ARGUMENT: There are more notable Mario characters, and more notable Sqare-Enix characters. He doesn't deserve a playable roster slot. There. Thats all anyone has actually contributed to this argument. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over. And nobody has changed the others opinions, because everyone's heads are too wedged up their own arses to actually consider other's opinions. Worst thread on this forum by far.
If it comes down to Square having a character as playable in Brawl, I'd rather have Geno than any other Square character. Yes, this includes Cloud, Sora, Chocobo and Chrono. Yes, this point of view is terribly flawed and biased. I'd rather not have Geno overall, as there are other characters I'd rather get on board, but if it starts to look like Square participation in Brawl is mandated, better Geno than anything else they've squatted. |
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