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Post by Fryguy64 on May 5, 2008 16:49:49 GMT -5
Nintendo have never said they produce a constant supply of unique videogame franchises though. Yes, they produce sequels, but more often than not they contain a lot of totally original ideas.
The fact is, they're producing more original games now than ever before, but they're also producing more sequels than ever before. I just wish they'd stop making a mess of them. Sometimes NOT innovating is a good idea... more of the same can be a GOOD thing!
And I didn't think I'd hear that argument coming from Mr. Halo.
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Post by Game Guru on May 5, 2008 22:02:16 GMT -5
To tell you the truth... I'm not completely loyal to Nintendo... No, I do play other games. For example, for the GameCube games I currently own...
8 are Nintendo games They are Super Mario Sunshine, Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, The Legend of Zelda : Four Swords Adventures, The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Edition, Pokemon Colosseum, Animal Crossing, F-Zero GX, Starfox Assault, and Metroid Prime. I used to own Super Smash Bros. Melee and Mario Kart Double Dash before I got their respective sequels Super Smash Bros Brawl, and Mario Kart Wii, and I am fairly happy with those games.
6 are Sega games. They are Sonic Mega Collection, Sonic Gems Collection, Sonic Adventure DX, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, Sonic Heroes, and Skies of Arcadia Legends. I do hope Sonic gets back to being cool on consoles again, and I do want a Skies of Arcadia 2.
4 are Capcom games. They are Mega Man Anniversary Collection, They are Mega Man X Collection, Viewtiful Joe 2, and Capcom vs. SNK 2 EO. I own Viewtiful Joe 1 on PlayStation.
3 are Namco games. They are Namco Museum, Pac-Man Vs./Pac-Man World 2, and Soul Calibur 2. I might get Soul Calibur IV if it is good.
2 are Midway games. They are Midway Arcade Treasures 1 & 2 from back in Midway's glory days before Sub-Zero started duking it out with Superman.
2 are from EA Games. They are The Sims and SSX Tricky. If SSX Blur was online, I would seriously consider buying it.
2 are from Free Radical. They are TimeSplitters 2 and Second Sight. I really hope TimeSplitters 4 will come to the Wii with online multiplayer. Haze looks too generic for me to care.
My last two games for GameCube are Beyond Good & Evil and Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance.
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Post by TV Eye on May 5, 2008 22:15:26 GMT -5
Well, to be honest, the only Nintendo systems I've ever owned have been (in order) GameBoy Color, Nintendo 64, Gameboy Advance, Nintendo DS, and Wii. My very first system was a Genesis. After that, I got a PSOne.
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Post by The Qu on May 5, 2008 22:26:54 GMT -5
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Post by TV Eye on May 5, 2008 23:02:27 GMT -5
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Post by Flip on May 13, 2008 15:11:46 GMT -5
I'm too lazy to read what has been said, but my only input is this:
There are far too many character-driven franchises that came out during that 5 year gap and since. What Sakurai meant was franchises that have become popular or famous enough to warrant including in the game. We have Golden Sun, Chibi Robo, Magical Starsign, Drill Dozer, etc. But are they varied and accessible titles? Not by any means. They're niche, they're on lesser consoles, and frankly they just never crack the bubble. We all complain that Golden Sun never gets any recognition, but think about it: it's a JRPG, for one; it's on a portable system, for two; and it barely broke a million carts sold in the US or Japan. You can't build a reliable franchise off of that. Especially in a time where the majority of consumers are super cynical and rarely venture outside their own realm of security. Remember how hard it was for Pokemon to break in? Metroid to make its comeback? How difficult of a time they had getting Fire Emblem over here, or warranting Mother having a place in Smash Bros.? If Nintendo is even having problems with what we consider the "major" franchises, I wouldn't even dare wonder why they aren't touching the "minor."
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Post by Fryguy64 on May 13, 2008 17:09:33 GMT -5
Pre-2000, I would NOT have said that Metroid, Fire Emblem or Mother were major Nintendo franchises.
They were all quite considerably minor, in fact.
If Pit and Pikmin can make it, then I see no reason why other less-popular titles can't also be brought into the fold.
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Post by Smashchu on May 13, 2008 20:51:23 GMT -5
I'm too lazy to read what has been said, but my only input is this: There are far too many character-driven franchises that came out during that 5 year gap and since. What Sakurai meant was franchises that have become popular or famous enough to warrant including in the game. We have Golden Sun, Chibi Robo, Magical Starsign, Drill Dozer, etc. But are they varied and accessible titles? Not by any means. They're niche, they're on lesser consoles, and frankly they just never crack the bubble. We all complain that Golden Sun never gets any recognition, but think about it: it's a JRPG, for one; it's on a portable system, for two; and it barely broke a million carts sold in the US or Japan. You can't build a reliable franchise off of that. Especially in a time where the majority of consumers are super cynical and rarely venture outside their own realm of security. Remember how hard it was for Pokemon to break in? Metroid to make its comeback? How difficult of a time they had getting Fire Emblem over here, or warranting Mother having a place in Smash Bros.? If Nintendo is even having problems with what we consider the "major" franchises, I wouldn't even dare wonder why they aren't touching the "minor." I wouldn't call Golden Sun nitch. The first game beat Pikmin 1 sales worldwide. And in Japan was only .1 million under. Golden Sun 2 is unknown. Didn't do that well in Japan but the numbers for the US and Europe are missing (on VGchartz anyway) but we can assum it met 2 million. The characters that get into Smash Brothers are based on request alone. On sales, F-Zero deserves a character way before Mother does, yet we only have 1 F-Zero characters and 2 Mother. To answer some of the questions 1)Not really hard. It's one of the best selling franchises ever and did well from the get go I beleive. They were unsure of it's success when they were making it, but it did well quickly (especially here in the states) 2)Not really hard. Smash helped it a lot. Plus the old games sold really well 3)Again, Smashed help 4)Not sure. Sakurai has the last say on everything Also, I wouldn't call Metroid minor, but inactive. Minor suggest it was small but Metroid and Super Metroid did really well. |
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Post by Game Guru on May 14, 2008 1:53:24 GMT -5
Smashchu, if Golden Sun 2 is not listed on VGChartz, it mostly likely didn't break the million mark. Althought, it is more inaccurate than NPD or Media Create or Famitsu, it always keeps track of even potential million sellers.
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