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Post by Arcadenik on Mar 4, 2009 0:12:22 GMT -5
Jigglypuff's sheid trick would probably let her skip the whole stage from beginning to end. Its kinda cheating and is probably why Jigglypuff isn't in the story mode.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Mar 4, 2009 1:39:49 GMT -5
Except that it would only work in vertical stages, and could very easily be avoided by not having her playable in vertical stages. Hypothetically, Jigglypuff could work like this.
Jigglypuff plays only in horizontal and scrolling levels seperate from the rest of the folks, possibly chasing Wolf with Toon Link for some reason which ends up with Jigglypuff being turned into a trophy by a non-playable character, I'm saying Vaati, who then takes aim at Wolf. Toon Link shoots an arrow at the Dark Cannon, saving Wolf, but is himself turned into a trophy (possibly because he jumped in front of the cannon for better aim.) Wolf restores Toon Link in gratitude, but can't get to Jigglypuff in time, as Vaati grabs her first. This would render Shield Jumping as more than just impractical and just downright stupid for as long as Jigglypuff is available. Then, Wolf and Toon Link go off to save Jigglypuff and meet the rest of the crew near the end, Jigglypuff still not saved (though the two do get a boss fight,) as Jigglypuff would have been brought into Subspace by Ganondorf, who it turns out Vaati was working for, and only went back because he had been planning to get all three of them for Ganondorf. Jigglypuff's trophy wouldn't be found in the "Subspace" levels, and would end up helping Sonic when he shatters Tabuu's wings with her Rollout (Sonic having previously saved her.) This would make it impossible to Shield Jump through the Great Maze.
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Post by Sqrt2 on Mar 4, 2009 3:51:32 GMT -5
Jigglypuff's sheid trick would probably let her skip the whole stage from beginning to end. Its kinda cheating and is probably why Jigglypuff isn't in the story mode. Sorry for having to ask, but what exactly is this "Jigglypuff's Shield Trick" that everyone is talking about? |
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Post by TV Eye on Mar 4, 2009 7:35:32 GMT -5
Jigglypuff's sheid trick would probably let her skip the whole stage from beginning to end. Its kinda cheating and is probably why Jigglypuff isn't in the story mode. Sorry for having to ask, but what exactly is this "Jigglypuff's Shield Trick" that everyone is talking about? . I'd check Google out once or twice if I were you.  |
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Post by nocturnal YL on Mar 5, 2009 5:37:31 GMT -5
I'm guessing that Wolf being paid by the good guys to help seemed odd because, well, a mercenary isn't exactly the sort of guy a hero would want on payroll IKE. Jigglypuff's sheid trick would probably let her skip the whole stage from beginning to end. Its kinda cheating and is probably why Jigglypuff isn't in the story mode. You speak as if all levels are vertical. I guess this isn;t quite the case... Plus, seeing how characters behave a bit differently for Supspace and other modes, the developers can just disable that move in Subspace. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Mar 5, 2009 14:10:37 GMT -5
I'm guessing that Wolf being paid by the good guys to help seemed odd because, well, a mercenary isn't exactly the sort of guy a hero would want on payroll IKE. Point, but I have a doubt that Wolf would join either side without pay, which even without knowing what would happen in SSE could be expected of Ike. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2009 16:21:47 GMT -5
Another solution to the shield-break cheat: Just get rid of the trick. I'm sorry, but you guys are making this more complicated than it needs to be. There seems to be no benefit from this trick anyway.
Also, is this trick even in Brawl? The only video posted in this thread is from Melee. If this isn't in Brawl, then this whole discussion is pointless.
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Post by Kohta on Mar 6, 2009 16:44:04 GMT -5
Also, is this trick even in Brawl? The only video posted in this thread is from Melee. If this isn't in Brawl, then this whole discussion is pointless. It is in Brawl, but not really "useful" as it is in that Melee video. I always wondered why Jiggles does that explosive shield. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2009 8:57:20 GMT -5
I'm guessing that Wolf being paid by the good guys to help seemed odd because, well, a mercenary isn't exactly the sort of guy a hero would want on payroll, they'll swap sides for a higher check. Meanwhile, on Tabuu's side of it, you have to realize what seperates Wolf from Wario: Wolf has common sense, while Wario does not. Wolf would likely have asked the Master Hand to show him the money before he did anything, while Wario would have gone simply on promise. Just because Wolf is smarter, not to mention a mercenary, doesn't mean the theory doesn't work out. Having spent enough time researching the mercenary field, any merc worth his salt - which Wolf is one of - honors the first contract he's hired to complete, regardless of any better offers that come along in the meanwhile. As soon as the job is finished, the merc is free to do whatever he wants - even doing a job detrimental to his previous employers. Which isn't to say not all mercs do that, but Wolf's focus is getting paid to do jobs and do them well. You don't gain the right notoriety by abandoning one job to swap over to another, unless the reward is substantially greater than the risk to your reputation involved. Also, a lot of mercenaries, both fictional and not, are prone to asking for a sizable portion of their pay up front (Han Solo anyone?), and as Nintendo isn't one for avoiding cliches...well, you get the idea. You're right when you say Wario's an idiot and would go on promise of treasure (he's done it frequently enough and usually loses out because of that) and Wolf is too smart for something like that, but it's not like he'd be duped without his fronted cash. More likely than not, he'd refuse the job. Whether you take my word for it or not...well that's up to you I guess. |
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Post by Arcadenik on Mar 12, 2009 9:08:13 GMT -5
So, that's the difference between Wolf and Wario. This is why I love the Internet. I learn something new everyday. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2009 9:10:22 GMT -5
And knowing is half the battle!
G.I. JOE!!!!
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Post by Koopaul on Mar 12, 2009 10:46:40 GMT -5
Oh you guys are making this too complicated. Subspace barely makes sense all over the place.
Like: Why would Yoshi fight Mario?
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Post by kirbychu on Mar 12, 2009 10:56:16 GMT -5
Point, but I have a doubt that Wolf would join either side without pay, which even without knowing what would happen in SSE could be expected of Ike. But as far as I'm aware, he wasn't paid for helping the heroes out in StarFox Assault or Command. I'm not sure about Command, but I know there was no mention of payment in Assault. He showed up out of nowhere to help Fox out in that one. Like: Why would Yoshi fight Mario? Who says it's a Yoshi that'd ever met Mario? For all we know, every Yoshi in every Mario game could've been a different one.  |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Mar 12, 2009 13:01:09 GMT -5
Point, but I have a doubt that Wolf would join either side without pay, which even without knowing what would happen in SSE could be expected of Ike. But as far as I'm aware, he wasn't paid for helping the heroes out in StarFox Assault or Command. I'm not sure about Command, but I know there was no mention of payment in Assault. He showed up out of nowhere to help Fox out in that one. In Assault he had a reason to help Star Fox: Common interest. Think about it: If global interest were at stake, say, to alien invaders, note use of the word "Global," by the way, every nation on the planet would be fighting alongside each other regardless of relations at the time. Same applies to Assault: Wolf would be more prone to back Fox up if he had reason to believe that Fox's failure would kill him too. And he did have such a reason: The Aparoids were attacking EVERYONE. |
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Post by kirbychu on Mar 12, 2009 14:22:06 GMT -5
And that's different from what happened in SSE... how? Even Ganondorf joined the heroes to stop Tabuu, I don't see why Wolf wouldn't.
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