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Post by Manspeed on Apr 15, 2009 12:01:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I know. Nintendo went through a period where they tried to forget about Rare's games and make DK the Damsel Capturing Jackass again. It only lasted for three games.  Then PAON showed up... ;D |
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Post by Manspeed on Apr 15, 2009 12:04:14 GMT -5
Sorry, double post On the subject of Diddy's relation to DK... I'm almost certain he was referred to as DK's nephew earlier than DK64, because I've thought he was his nephew for as long as I can remember knowing of him. Was it in DKC? It might've been in that Donkey Kong comic that ran briefly over here around the time of the game's release. It was somewhere, I'm sure of that. Nope. All the instructions and official materials I can recall from DKC1-3 refer to Diddy as DK's "little buddy". Then in DK64 and Melee they called him his nephew. They haven't mentioned that again since. |
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Post by kirbychu on Apr 15, 2009 13:03:48 GMT -5
I would think the fact that it's been mentioned at all, in at least two places, and not contradicted makes it canon for now. I wouldn't consider them being different species a relevant point, since DK and Cranky are also different species.  |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Apr 15, 2009 13:12:22 GMT -5
How? I see no reason not to call Cranky a gorilla. Just a very old, very withered gorilla.
On another note, perhaps the intent behind calling Diddy DK's nephew is to create a less patronizing version of that old thing where a man calls a boy "Sonny."
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Post by kirbychu on Apr 15, 2009 14:12:29 GMT -5
Well... Cranky looks much more like a chimp than a gorilla. By that logic, we could assume Diddy is also a gorilla. Just a small, tailed gorilla.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Apr 15, 2009 14:31:58 GMT -5
Diddy is referred to as both a chimp and a monkey, however, as he has a tail, he must be a monkey. Dixie, meanwhile, is the same size and doesn't have a tail, so she'd be a chimp. DK and Funky are gorillas, they're large, muscular, and tail-less. Lanky is an orangutan, it goes without saying. Cranky couldn't be a monkey, he doesn't have a tail. He's too large for a chimp, too small for a gorilla, and not orangutan enough for an orangutan. Cranky Kong is frequently called the original DK, who was a gorilla. We have nothing to go on but that, and it's a pretty logical assumption that in his old age he shrunk. So, Cranky Kong must be a gorilla.
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Post by somemannerof on Apr 15, 2009 17:16:50 GMT -5
So DK's a Gorilla, Diddy's a monkey, Dixie's a chimp, Lanky's an orangutan, Funky is also a gorilla, and Cranky is an old Gorilla... ...But who's on first? What was the third game?  |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Apr 15, 2009 17:49:13 GMT -5
Who's on second.
I think he's referring to Mario v. DK, Mario v. DK 2, and Jungle Beat.
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Post by Manspeed on Apr 15, 2009 17:54:49 GMT -5
Yes, that is what I was referring to. Thanks. Well... Cranky looks much more like a chimp than a gorilla. By that logic, we could assume Diddy is also a gorilla. Just a small, tailed gorilla. I can understand you arguing that DK is technically not a hero, but trying to say that Cranky is a different species from DK entirely!? What the hell is with you, man? In pretty much every instance they're referred to as apes or gorillas. They've never said anything about Cranky being a chimp or Diddy being anything but a monkey. For the record, Diddy's been referred as DK's sidekick/best friend more times than he's been referred to as his nephew, so I say it should be disregarded, especially since he and DK are two different species of primate. |
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Post by kirbychu on Apr 15, 2009 18:14:22 GMT -5
I would say, primarily, I see Cranky as a chimp because it's the only monkey he resembles. He has no gorilla features. But, why is it that you guys are willing to accept that a chimp (Dixie) and gorilla (Kiddy) are related, but not a gorilla and a monkey? And the orangutan, too? I also don't see how being a sidekick or best friend discounts someone from being a relative... The cast were referred to several times as "the Kong family", after all. EDIT: Whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Bomber-Frog, if you're going to dredge up old arguments, at least pick ones you won. I'm pretty sure you were the minority in the whole "Heroic DK" debate.  |
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Post by Manspeed on Apr 15, 2009 18:33:43 GMT -5
A) Here's a picture of Cranky:  ...and a picture of DK:  Cranky looks more to me like an elderly version of DK, which he should given how he's father/grandfather. B) It makes more sense for a gorilla to be the father/grandfather of another gorilla than it does for a chimp. Dixie and Kiddy are merely cousins. Lanky is only implied to be distantly related to the rest of the Kongs. Cranky couldn't even figure out who he was related to if he's even related at all. My fanon idea is that Lanky was once part of the Manky clan but got kicked out for clowning around. Now he's allies with the rest of the Kongs. Ignore this or not. I don't care. Just throwing it out. As a side note, Dixie could also very well be a Barbary Ape. which is actually a monkey without a tail. They even have blonde fur. Funny, huh? ;D C) Family doesn't necessarily imply relation. Your friends can be like family to you right? The Kongs are generally considered a clan, which consists of both friends and family. Not saying you're dumb or anything, but it's kind of unnerving that most other people around the web can't grasp this concept.  D) I didn't mean to dredge up the argument. Apologies for that. I just couldn't help but be reminded of the last Kong discussion.  |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Apr 15, 2009 18:37:47 GMT -5
THOUGHT. Thought.
Perhaps the Kongs aren't a family in the sense we're used to. Perhaps they're a family of soul, not of blood.
EDIT: Dammit. Just missed the mark.
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Post by somemannerof on Apr 15, 2009 22:03:59 GMT -5
Wow, this whole thing has kind of...exploded. As an aside...DK always struck me as heroic, but it hit me that the first time he was TRULY heroic was in DK64 when he helped K. Lumsy. K. Lumsy. Now THERE'S a character who should be brought back. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Apr 15, 2009 22:24:41 GMT -5
Question: Why does the question of heroism matter to DK? The simplicity is part of his charm. He's a big ape who kills anyone to take his 'naners 'way. And that's fine. He doesn't need to do heroic things to be awesome. He just needs to be a big ape who kills anyone to take his 'naners 'way.
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Post by somemannerof on Apr 15, 2009 22:48:34 GMT -5
That makes him a bit too Wario-ish, at least in my own humble opinion.
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