Who's that Pokémon?

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Feb 12, 2010 2:18:49 GMT -5 The Qu said:

save those putrid sacks of shit they passed off as Electabuzz and Magmar evolutions.

Okay, I made sure I read this one right, and since I'm not in a bad mood I'm sure that this is an overall negative opinion. So:

Don't be hatin' on Electivire and Magmortar. ;D

Also, watch Zoroork's english name be a literal, phonetic translation. Lucario is Rucalio in Japan...it's only logical that Zoroark will be Zoloalk. Which isn't much worse, because either way it's a fuckin' tongue-twister.

[Shrikeswind]

Rukario wasn't coming with that name intact, there's no way. It would have sounded like a crap translation. Zoroark (or as I maintain, Zoroaku) is likely to have a total rename since we only have an Engrish translation of a name coming out of a magazine written in Japanese.

No, because everyone knows that the Dr. Seuss nightmare and Mr. My-Hand-Is-A-Mortar-Gun-So-It-Doesn't-Matter-How-Dumb-It-Looks are totally bad-ass. Oh wait. =P

[The Qu]

Haha. You're right, TEi, I shouldn't hate on them. I just don't care for their designs- Electivire has a pretty big disconnect from Electabuzz (Although the wires-as-tails aspect is cool) and Magmortar is meh more than anything. It's kinda cool we have a fire Megaman in the game.

Who knows- maybe they'll warm up to me. Wouldn't be the first time I've changed my opinion on a Pokemon. (I still hate Chimecho though.)

[Manspeed]

I have this feeling Zoroark will be changed to something like "Zolark".

[Koopaul]

Well I think they overdid it with Electivire and Magmortar adding too much to their design personally.

Also I was not fond of how they gave a lot of rock and steel types in the 3rd generation soulless/ emotionless eyes. Which is why I showed Lunatone like that.

Remember Magnemite? A Pokemon made of bolts and magnets and it still had an innocent organic eye. Now look at Beldum, red and emotionless. It's just unlovable.

Two floating metal Pokemon but which seems more likable?

[Shrikeswind]

Neither, Magnezone is the ultimate in lovable magnets. Look at that cold, uncaring carapace and gaze into that blood-red eye and tell me you don't wanna hug it. =P

I think any design can be easily modified into something emotional without actually altering physiology. Hell, I could make my cold, unfeeling room-mate seem emotionally capable if I weren't so sure drawing the picture would bring about the Apocalypse with the amount of evil it contained.

[Johans Nidorino]

Both can show emotions according to the situation. Magnemite just has a more natural-colored white sclera. Its eye is more simplistic, so if you like simple things, you'll prefer Magnemite.

[Flip]

Shrikes, did I say there was actual confirmation they had similar stats? No. Don't jump to conclusions if only to combat an opinion you disagree with or something. I'm just saying that the potential for it to have Lucario-like stats is not something we can ignore, especially between the resemblance and apparent similarites; part of the reason Lucario was implemented, I think, was because it was going to be a Steel-type that could actually be somewhat fast and use really unique, and special, attacks. It was "legendary" for a Steel-type because it was so different.

The only other pure Dark-types are Umbreon, Mightyena, and Absol. Overall, they're popular but not very "competitive." Umbreon is snubbed for better stalls that can actually deal more passive damage than something like Toxic; Mightyena has the offensive moves but no stats; Absol has the stats but no offensive moves. If Zoroark IS pure-Dark and has Lucario-like stats... we're in for a treat. There's never really been shown to us a pure Dark type that can work to its fullest potential. Add that to the fact that most fully-evolved Dark-types are dual-types anyway, and I support Zoroark to the fullest.

Just mumbling theories by this point, but I figure it'll be getting the standard Quick Attack and Bite, probably things like Sucker Punch and some other priority move too. I'd love to see it learn some of the rarer moves like Me First and Follow Me too for posterity; that sounds "Illusory" enough. Figure it'll get one of the Mirror Move/Mimic/Copycat/Assist(even though it's not a cat?) to go with the whole "I mimic other things" motif.

Ability... my guess is something Lucarioesque, again. Maybe another version of Steadfast or an ability to allows it to evade attacks better. Something based on illusions.

[Shrikeswind]

Feb 13, 2010 3:51:33 GMT -5 Flip said:

Shrikes, did I say there was actual confirmation they had similar stats? No. Don't jump to conclusions if only to combat an opinion you disagree with or something.

You misread my intentions! I was simply pointing out that there isn't any proof that Zoroaku has Lucario-esque stats. I agree, it seems similar enough to Lucario to where I would expect it too, but I'm only asking for confirmation (also, it's not really jumping to conclusions if I'm asking for source.)

If Zoroark IS pure-Dark and has Lucario-like stats... we're in for a treat. There's never really been shown to us a pure Dark type that can work to its fullest potential. Add that to the fact that most fully-evolved Dark-types are dual-types anyway, and I support Zoroark to the fullest.

Again, I stray away from speculation. If Zoroaku is pure Dark, he could have Lucario-like stats and STILL not be competitive due to lack of moves. Illusions could be very useful offensively, but defensively, they're golden, so it's possible Zoroaku will be more defensive in nature.

[Johans Nidorino]

I imagine if Zoroark had to be similar to Lucario, it would probably be in combined stats more than in same stats. Of course nothing ensures any similarity to Lucario except for their looks, the wow factor of starring a movie preceding their generation, and having a pre-evolved form (btw, not having shown a pre-evolved form would have had a different impact on fans in my opinion). Though I'd say rare moves or abilities are expectable.

Being pure Dark-type kind of sucks on any Pokémon regarding match-ups (legendaries aside). I guess Zoroark could be better than existing pure Dark-types, but still.

However, Dark-type Pokémon and moves are always very surprising and interesting. Any signature move or ability they may give to Zoroark could transcend the importance of its stats and type match-ups.

[The Qu]

I'm calling it now: They will learn Substitute. Just seems like something an illusion Pokemon would learn.

[Johans Nidorino]

Last week's discovery of the new Pokémon was a leak, but Zoroark and Zorua have now been officially revealed by Game Freak.

New artwork:

[Shrikeswind]

I have to comment on something I've noticed: There aren't any Tanuki Pokémon. Think about it: Kitsune are often depicted with fire, so we have Vulpix and Ninetales. Kappas are water creatures, giving us Psyduck and Golduck. But there isn't a Tanuki line, which would have made a great Yokai trinity of Grass-Fire-Water with a two-step Grass-type Tanuki. Or a great starter set, whatever. Point is, the Tanuki stands out in Pokémon for not existing. Anyone else notice this?

[Johans Nidorino]

Well, some consider Zigzagoon a tanuki. That's unless you deem it as a mere raccoon.

[The Qu]

Honestly, there are a lot of yokai that could be made. Tanooki are a major one, as you've pointed out, but the kara kasa, the umbrella demons, are one that's occured to me time and time again.

There actually is a third yokai in the game, Froslass. She's based on this one.