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Post by Flip on Aug 19, 2010 20:13:22 GMT -5
What about the Zubat line being part of the Flying-group? ;D
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 19, 2010 20:58:34 GMT -5
Actually....
For a good chunk of human history, there's been a common misconception about bats, namely, it's been long held that bats are birds. This dates at least back to the day when Kosher was founded, in fact: One of the non-Kosher birds is the bat, and if you think it's a mistranslation in English (i.e., "It meant flying animal,") there's even more damning proof they believed the bat to be a bird: Ostriches, which do not fly, are also listed as non-Kosher birds.
THE MORE YOU KNOW!
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Post by Koopaul on Aug 19, 2010 22:19:19 GMT -5
This is why I say Ghost type Pokemon aren't really ghosts. That's just their type.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 19, 2010 22:47:30 GMT -5
How do you come to this conclusion based on egg-group?
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Aug 19, 2010 23:22:31 GMT -5
Zubat being Flying is a good catch (I still find it wrong when Crobat uses Brave Bird). Maybe it's the bird-like use of the wings or something. Who gets those guys.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 20, 2010 0:19:03 GMT -5
Actually.... For a good chunk of human history, there's been a common misconception about bats, namely, it's been long held that bats are birds. This dates at least back to the day when Kosher was founded, in fact: One of the non-Kosher birds is the bat, and if you think it's a mistranslation in English (i.e., "It meant flying animal,") there's even more damning proof they believed the bat to be a bird: Ostriches, which do not fly, are also listed as non-Kosher birds. THE MORE YOU KNOW! If we're not going to pay attention it will only be made more obvious. |
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Post by The Qu on Aug 23, 2010 20:40:39 GMT -5
Treecko, Grovyle and Sceptile make the article this week. Vaguely interesting, but not one I would have wanted to see this early in the article's history.
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Post by Koopaul on Aug 23, 2010 20:57:34 GMT -5
How do you come to this conclusion based on egg-group? Because there is no "undead" or ghost egg group. They share the same egg groups with other amorphous Pokemon like Muk. Also they are born from Eggs, duh! Being born means you're not dead. Also Cubone's mother proves that when a Pokemon dies and becomes a ghost they remain the same Pokemon in spirit. I also use this comparison to Boos in the Mario series. I don't believe they are truly ghosts of the living like the ones you see in Luigi's Mansion or Ghost T. from Paper Mario: TYD. I believe they are a ghost race born and living like ghosts. |
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Aug 23, 2010 21:27:52 GMT -5
I had no idea the gecko's toes were so sophisticated. The "flying" aspect of geckos reminds me of a time when Ash's Sceptile flew by riding the winds between skyscrapers.  |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Aug 23, 2010 23:29:20 GMT -5
How do you come to this conclusion based on egg-group? Because there is no "undead" or ghost egg group. They share the same egg groups with other amorphous Pokemon like Muk. Also they are born from Eggs, duh! Being born means you're not dead. Also Cubone's mother proves that when a Pokemon dies and becomes a ghost they remain the same Pokemon in spirit. I also use this comparison to Boos in the Mario series. I don't believe they are truly ghosts of the living like the ones you see in Luigi's Mansion or Ghost T. from Paper Mario: TYD. I believe they are a ghost race born and living like ghosts. What if they actually are dead when they come out of the egg, though? Like a stillbirth or whatever. Perhaps the eggs that you leave at the daycare are not looked after, and the Pokemon eventually die, before hatching themselves as Gastly or whatever. When you use a ghost Pokemon to breed, you automatically get a ghost Pokemon in the egg because, you know, the mother is dead and therefore can't give birth to something alive. Or maybe, just maybe, its fucking Pokemon and nobody gives a shit. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 23, 2010 23:55:56 GMT -5
Because there is no "undead" or ghost egg group. They share the same egg groups with other amorphous Pokemon like Muk. This fact alone is enough to make it so that it doesn't matter. Furthermore, that they are born from eggs doesn't hold much water, either. If two living creatures can procreate, why can't two dead spirits do the same? On another, unrelated note, some shit about Treecko et al., some stuff I didn't know, but much of it was pretty baseline and thus, to me, meh. Oh well. |
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Post by Koopaul on Aug 24, 2010 0:05:26 GMT -5
That still doesn't explain Cubone's mother not being a Gastly or whatever. She died and became a Marowak's Ghost, the only Pokemon you could not catch.
You cannot catch what is dead.
Ghost types are creatures with the power of ghosts. But are they "ghosts"?
Fire types are creatures with the power of fire. But are they "fire"?
You must think of types as a power and not a state of being. That's why I used Egg Groups. They describe a state of being rather than their powers.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 24, 2010 0:43:37 GMT -5
Dragon types are creatures with the power of dragons. But are they "dragons?" Your point, therefore, has been made moot.
And Marowak's Ghost was special. She didn't die of natural causes. Usually, there's a distinction there: If a person was murdered, their ghost is a ball of fury. If a person dies because of stupidity, bad luck, or simply nature, their ghost is benign or mischievous.
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Post by The Qu on Aug 24, 2010 0:45:08 GMT -5
If a person dies because of stupidity, bad luck, or simply nature, their ghost is benign or mischievous. Unless it's Japan. At which point their ghost is malicious and tries to kill other people the same way they died.  |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 24, 2010 0:51:27 GMT -5
Not necessarily, but your point is valid. My point, however, is that you take with you what you went out with, something we see in Zelda, as well (see the Composer Bros.) Marowak is especially important because you actually have to exorcise her as opposed to having the option to catch her.
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