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Post by Koopaul on Aug 24, 2010 3:04:40 GMT -5
Dragon types are creatures with the power of dragons. But are they "dragons?" Your point, therefore, has been made moot. Hello Altaria! Are you a dragon type? You are? Well I'll be! Also the Composer Bros from Zelda are a bad example since they are still Poes just like the rest. They move like Poes, look like Poes, and carry lanterns like Poes. I don't understand why its so hard to accept that Ghost Pokemon are not the souls of the dead? If you believe this then you must think that female Snorunts die when they evolve into Glalie. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 24, 2010 3:30:06 GMT -5
Point to me the post where I said "I believe that Ghost-types are the souls of the dead."
On another note, go out to Kakariko and ask those Composer Bros. what happened again. See what they say, because they sure as hell don't say "I was born this way."
On a tertiary note, point to me where I was referring to the Composer Bros. in the interest of proving my point on whether or not Ghost-types are necessarily ghosts. Honestly, bro, you're picking through the Easter basket to find the jellybeans when there's fucking CHOCOLATE BARS in there.
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Post by kirbychu on Aug 24, 2010 3:57:08 GMT -5
I actually totally agree with Koopaul here. Unless otherwise stated by the PokéDex, I see no reason "Ghost-type" should automatically mean "something that died and turned into this Pokémon". The Ghost-type is often used for Pokémon that don't have physical form, like Gastly, which the PokéDex tells us is a Pokémon born from poisonous gas. And makes no mention of it being a ghost or spirit outside of superstition.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 24, 2010 4:15:31 GMT -5
Honestly, so do I. I just find that Koopaul's getting his panties in a knot over a petty detail. He does have me on Altaria, but he seems to be getting a tad too emotional over this whole thing, so much so that he's starting to write his own gospel on my words. My words are MY words. I don't take other people's words. It's like wearing someone else's underwear.
The point I'd like to make is a point I enjoy making often: Don't just assume something is true and shove your head up your ass over it. ALWAYS ask questions.
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Post by kirbychu on Aug 24, 2010 4:49:18 GMT -5
It doesn't look like he was being at all emotional to me...
But more importantly, if you agree with him, why did you spend an entire page worth of posts arguing?
The mind boggles.
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Aug 24, 2010 8:11:23 GMT -5
Some Ghost-type Pokémon aren't gaseous or "ethereal" even. And most of the ones that have Ghost as their secondary type aren't even of the Indeterminate Egg group.
The point of Koopaul can also be seen in this week's featured Pokémon family. Treecko, Grovyle and Sceptile have tails resembling plants and can camouflage as plants, so they're Grass-type Pokémon. But they're still less vegetable than Pokémon based on fruits, flowers, etc. The former aren't even of the Plant Egg group.
Now let's go back to how the discussion started, and it's not much different with Lileep and Cradily. We learned (or some already knew) that they're not plants, but animals, but their anchored nature makes them plant-like, earning the Grass type.
Koopaul has been right the whole time and hasn't been excessive explaining his point IMO either.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 24, 2010 21:17:21 GMT -5
Not to turn this back into it, but Koopaul actually did stump me on Altaria, so I started bumming around trying to figure it out. Apparently, not only is Altaria a Dragon-type, but is in the Dragon egg group, which makes me think there actually IS something to my point on Dragon-types being dragons. Now it's got my interest. Thanks, Koops!
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Aug 24, 2010 21:35:13 GMT -5
Not to turn this back into it, but Koopaul actually did stump me on Altaria, so I started bumming around trying to figure it out. Apparently, not only is Altaria a Dragon-type, but is in the Dragon egg group, which makes me think there actually IS something to my point on Dragon-types being dragons. Now it's got my interest. Thanks, Koops! I'm not sure I get what's the point you claim. What about Flygon? What about the griffin you keep proposing for a Dragon-type evolution of Eevee? I guess everything can be a little abstract when it comes to types, although, as we've discussed in another thread, the likes of Dragon and Bug are among the most descriptive of all Pokémon types. And it doesn't substract anything to the Ghost type thing in any case. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 24, 2010 21:50:22 GMT -5
Flygon's been established earlier in this thread, if I'm not mistaken, and my Griffin Eeveelution is more a whim than much else. But this has nothing to do with the dead Ghost-type thing anymore. This is ENTIRELY to figure out what Altaria's supposed to be.
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Aug 24, 2010 22:05:04 GMT -5
Flygon's been established earlier in this thread, if I'm not mistaken, and my Griffin Eeveelution is more a whim than much else. But this has nothing to do with the dead Ghost-type thing anymore. This is ENTIRELY to figure out what Altaria's supposed to be. Yeah, I guess switching to Altaria discussion is valid in this thread (though don't forget this one too). This has been cited for the basis for Altaria. The Dragon type is associated with mythology, which is why a griffin did make sense to me. Perhaps you also believed it subconsciously. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 24, 2010 23:11:44 GMT -5
Actually, the griffin idea was based on the concept of what a mammalian dragon would look like. My answer came up basically looking like a lion with bat wings that looked remarkably like a griffin.
Yeah, I've actually been looking around on that. Still haven't seen the Peng's head, which Bulbapedia cites as being a dragon's head, so naturally I'd like to see it before I give my regards to the Peng.
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Post by Koopaul on Aug 24, 2010 23:17:07 GMT -5
Hm that is interesting. I would like to believe that all type choosing have a purpose and are not randomly assigned to an animal, but some of the Pokemon are just baffling.
Who would associate slugs with lava?
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Aug 24, 2010 23:24:11 GMT -5
Who would associate slugs with lava? Who knows. Lava flows slowly and it's viscous, so maybe they were playing around with what types to assign to a slug and found out it would make some sense. |
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Post by TV Eye on Aug 24, 2010 23:34:35 GMT -5
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Post by Shrikeswind on Aug 25, 2010 0:29:12 GMT -5
Hm that is interesting. I would like to believe that all type choosing have a purpose and are not randomly assigned to an animal, but some of the Pokemon are just baffling. Who would associate slugs with lava? This is especially weird when you realize Nintendo's done it before. |
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