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Post by Prince~Of~Light on Jul 15, 2010 5:09:40 GMT -5
Stop N Swop.
GET THIS ICE KEY
GET THESE EGGS
WAIT FOR TWO YEARS, LITERALLY
BREAK YOUR N64 BY SWAP- I MEAN, AFTER HEARING THE WHOLE PROJECT'S BEEN CANCELLED.
It being pretty complicated and being able to break up your N64, the myth has gone so far as becoming a failure and having even few cameo appearances in other games. like Grabbed By The Ghoulies.
At least my annoyance is now reduced a bit after Rare trying to get on doing the thing again in XBLA.
Oh yeah. Mother 3's Giygas... Just wondering what in hell was Itoi thinking when trying to put that again there, since I've heard that Mother 3 was made with some new Mother-fans in mind... Lucas might've got scarred for life...
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jul 24, 2010 16:30:01 GMT -5
That wasn't so much a myth in itself as it was the basis for (and in some cases the bullet that killed) a storm of other myths. I loved hearing the ways to get the Ice Key, and further the many ways to get Stop n Swop to work. I've heard a million of 'em, so many I can't even remember 'em all. None really outstanding, unfortunately. I think one of 'em had to do with Leaky the Bucket? I can't remember.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 24, 2010 16:37:29 GMT -5
I think one of 'em had to do with Leaky the Bucket? I can't remember. The original method was never finished, but basically doing some crazy thing with Banjo-Tooie was supposed to unlock stuff in Banjo-Kazooie, and then you could use that stuff in Banjo-Tooie. This meant, obviously, all that stuff had to be hard-coded into Banjo-Kazooie in the first place. But then you can genuinely unlock all that stuff using passwords, in the same way you can activate all the other cheats, levels, etc. And yes, that method does involve Leaky the Bucket. Of course, it's only to access the half that they hard-coded into Banjo-Kazooie. It's still totally useless.
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Post by Wildcat on Jul 24, 2010 16:52:03 GMT -5
I've made the effort to gather up all those extra eggs and the Ice Key just to be done with it. It felt quite good to do, even though it was pointless.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jul 24, 2010 17:03:58 GMT -5
No, I was talking about a fake method to get Stop n Swop to work. I know someone mentioned somewhere you had to do something to Leaky to get Stop n Swop to work, but for the life of me I can't remember what you had to do. The passwords I managed to pull, I think I had to crap eggs into Leaky? But it was actually Stop n Swop that the method this guy made up was referring to. It was supposed to help you get the Ice Key, which you would then use in order to perform Stop n Swop. The rest of the thread was dedicated to idiots going "THAR A ANGEL I HAS 2 SHOOT FROM?" (since a part of it involved coughing burning eggs into the ice-wall, the eggs only able to be burned if you coughed 'em through Wozza's fire into the ice-wall,) and debunking it. On repeat. Seriously, it was "Where do I shoot the eggs?" "That's bull-shit, Stop n Swop was canceled. Here's an interview to prove it." "What angle do I shoot the egg from?" "Seriously? IT WAS CANCELLED. Besides, eggs don't ignite. There isn't an angle which allows you to ignite an egg." "Do I have to crap the egg?" It was actually REALLY funny.
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Post by Manspeed on Jul 24, 2010 17:14:16 GMT -5
Crapping eggs into Leaky is what opens the sand-castle where you enter the passwords. There are passwords to make the Ice Key and ? Eggs available, but they're all totally useless. Clearly whoever came up with the "shoot eggs through the fire to melt the ice wall" was a complete idiot.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jul 24, 2010 17:41:01 GMT -5
Actually, he later stated that he made the thread as an "invent-a-Myth" thread and it went horribly horribly wrong and had it locked.
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Post by The Qu on Jul 24, 2010 22:20:14 GMT -5
Let me reitarate something from earlier in this thread. Giygas is in no shape or form in Mother 3. That twisted Claus that everyone calls Mother 3's Giygas? We don't know what it is, but it certainly isn't Giygas.
One prevailing fan theory that isn't completely daft is that it represents Claus in the final fight- utterly dehumanized by Porky's technology. Others think it is a representation of something going on in Lucas' mind- trauma given form, basically.
So we don't know what it was, but it wasn't Giygas, so quit perpetuating this myth! This is a thread about myths, for gosh sake.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jul 24, 2010 23:17:46 GMT -5
I don't remember ever truly leaving the topic of video game myths.
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Post by The Qu on Jul 24, 2010 23:26:07 GMT -5
That came out dumb- the point I was trying to make was in a thread about myths, we were perpetuating one as true. Make more sense...?
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jul 25, 2010 0:23:11 GMT -5
Yeah, but again, I don't remember doing so. We've been talking about Stop n Swop.
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Post by The Qu on Jul 25, 2010 0:54:58 GMT -5
Oh yeah. Mother 3's Giygas... Just wondering what in hell was Itoi thinking when trying to put that again there, since I've heard that Mother 3 was made with some new Mother-fans in mind... Lucas might've got scarred for life... Guess I shoulda quoted it so folks knew which one I was replying to. Also, dang. This is an older post than I realized.
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Post by Spud on Jul 25, 2010 1:16:35 GMT -5
I've always been bothered by Stop 'N Swap over why the hell they didn't just use a controller save pack. That would've saved a lot of trouble.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jul 25, 2010 1:39:32 GMT -5
Because Rare's full of Brits, who are always insane. =P
Alright, seriously. Stop n Swop, had it happened and worked, would have been a game-changer. The technological implications of an effective Stop n Swop could have been amazing. For example, password-connected games would be a thing of the past, because the Stop n Swop method would allow a powered on system with memory to save data to the system, transferrable to another one, so for example, you could have Isaac's Djinn in Golden Sun transferred to Lost Age. The tech could be exploited for many purposes, in fact, such as allowing a game file on a console to be all you need to play. Of course, this would probably not happen, since that'd be a HUGE cash-sink. But the point is this: The technology would have been revolutionary, but it could have easily been dangerous, so in the end, that it was scrapped was quite probably for the best.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 25, 2010 4:10:47 GMT -5
Being able to swap one game out for another is probably possible with a system that downloads information to an internal hard drive, but the system would have to be built with that kind of functionality in mind.
The N64 maintained a small amount of information in memory, but nowhere near enough, and I expect with a game like Banjo-Kazooie they experienced nothing but crashes.
A quick controller pak infoswap would have made just as much sense and wouldn't have screwed up the console.
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